Who is to Blame?

[BilliardsBall]

He's not esteemed, he's worshiped by those people there's a capital difference between the two. I happen to think they are wrong to worship such a man and follow his teaching as if they were superior to all others. I also believe those teachings (and those of his disciples) have several glaring weaknesses that caused harm and tragedy though I don't think the doctrine alone should be blamed. Christians themselves have not always applied the doctrine consistently or have ''cherry-picked'' the doctrine to serve their personnal interests.

Luckily, Christ performed miracles, fulfilled prophecy and rose from the dead, justifying sincere worship in Him!

 

[rrobs]

These Christians would generally be considered idiots when it comes to this judgement of Islam whose recognised as one of the five major religions of the world by pretty much anybody who isn't some rabid lunatic. As fo the LDS Church, they are usually categorised as a sub-sect of Christianity. Cults describe only very small religious community, weirdo fanatics who admire a particular person or thing in excess or the special religious veneration of a figure or object within an already established religious faith (example: the "cult of the Virgin Mary" within Christianity).

I Googled "cults" and not one definition on the first page mentioned size. Minor point, but there is it.

 

[rrobs]

as in...?????
branded?

taking a mark is all fine and good

I have considered some tattoos
just so my fellowman might take a pause before saying something stupid to me

but no....

I have also considered.....the mark
as I stand before God and heaven
and the devil right behind me

so.....you have a seal on you?

does it look like the mark Cain took …..delivered by God

Pretty obtuse answer there. I don't know how to reply. You must be having lot's of fun.

 

[epronovost]

Luckily, Christ performed miracles, fulfilled prophecy and rose from the dead, justifying sincere worship in Him!

To agree with you, I would have to believe, not only in magic, but that your deity actually performed those magical wonders and even then, I would still consider his doctrine as flawed and is morality with some serious shades of grey.

 

[Thief]

To agree with you, I would have to believe, not only in magic, but that your deity actually performed those magical wonders and even then, I would still consider his doctrine as flawed and is morality with some serious shades of grey.

looks like a fresh opening line for another thread

please.....go for it

 

[epronovost]

looks like a fresh opening line for another thread

please.....go for it

There is something like four different potential subjects that can be discussed from my last post (belief in magic, standards of proof for extraordinary events, critique of Christian doctrines, critique of Jesus' character). Which one interests you the most?

 

[Thief]

There is something like four different potential subjects that can be discussed from my last post (belief in magic, standards of proof for extraordinary events, critique of Christian doctrines, critique of Jesus' character). Which one interests you the most?

mind over matter

after all......if we do survive the last breath
will we still have influence?

it is believed.....God does

 

[BilliardsBall]

To agree with you, I would have to believe, not only in magic, but that your deity actually performed those magical wonders and even then, I would still consider his doctrine as flawed and is morality with some serious shades of grey.

Or, in the case of fulfilled prophecy, you can look at historic confirmation outside the Bible, confirming the Bible's prescience. You are without an excuse to deny the Bible's truth.

 

[epronovost]

Or, in the case of fulfilled prophecy, you can look at historic confirmation outside the Bible, confirming the Bible's prescience. You are without an excuse to deny the Bible's truth.

Neither are you for the failed prophecy, the case of pious frauds, the self-fulfilling prophecies or those who were vague enough to hamfisted on a variety of events thanks to the Forer effect.

 

[epronovost]

mind over matter

after all......if we do survive the last breath
will we still have influence?

it is believed.....God does

So substance dualism?

 

[rrobs]

mind over matter

The mind makes the matter.

after all......if we do survive the last breath
will we still have influence?

We survive the first breath first. Influence is a mirage until the matter is closed

it is believed.....God does

If not, God does not.

 

[Thief]

So substance dualism?

as in?....possess a physical body

whether it is chemically complex...or not

life as we know it.....is really complex

but what if substance could be made to take form and move?
(as seen in movies)

 

[epronovost]

as in?....possess a physical body

whether it is chemically complex...or not

life as we know it.....is really complex

but what if substance could be made to take form and move?
(as seen in movies)

Dude, I don't want to be mean, but english isn't my first language and I don't understand people who write in ****ty song lyrics. What's the subject you thought was worthwhile to discuss in another thread?

 

[Thief]

To agree with you, I would have to believe, not only in magic, but that your deity actually performed those magical wonders and even then, I would still consider his doctrine as flawed and is morality with some serious shades of grey.

post as an opening line in a fresh thread
mention me when you do

 

[rrobs]

as in?....possess a physical body

whether it is chemically complex...or not

life as we know it.....is really complex

Maybe not? Apart from body, life is simple/complex.

but what if substance could be made to take form and move?
(as seen in movies)

The movement is a mystery. None can know the result.

 

[1213]

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Would it not therefore be more appropriate to blame Greek philosophy and Egyptian mythology for the above mentioned atrocities? Can you imagine Jesus being party to the inquisition?

If the teachings say, don’t murder… …love your enemies… …I think they can’t be blamed of evil things.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Would it not therefore be more appropriate to blame Greek philosophy and Egyptian mythology for the above mentioned atrocities? Can you imagine Jesus being party to the inquisition?

A portion of the blame is upon one's own shoulders and one's own choices, applicable to every believer. Those that claimed the station of shepherds for the flock, likewise take on a greater portion of blame, if they failed to live and lead to the standards requestedby Christ.

Regards Tony

Regards Tony

 

[rrobs]

If the teachings say, don’t murder… …love your enemies… …I think they can’t be blamed of evil things.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

Seems simple enough! Thanks.

 

[rrobs]

A portion of the blame is upon one's own shoulders and one's own choices, applicable to every believer. Those that claimed the station of shepherds for the flock, likewise take on a greater portion of blame, if they failed to live and lead to the standards requestedby Christ.

Regards Tony

Regards Tony

Very true. Jesus was pretty clear in telling us not to kill. If we kill anyway, it can hardly be Jesus' fault.

 

[Thief]

Very true. Jesus was pretty clear in telling us not to kill. If we kill anyway, it can hardly be Jesus' fault.

and so it won't be His fault when He returns
to sweep and garnish His floor
with a double edged sword