Who is to Blame?

[shunyadragon]

Isn't it explained by the fact the largest temple of the Baha'i faith is in Haifa? Ultranationalist Israelian have a tendency to smile on anything that is critical of Islam in general too.

Actually the relationship goes back further than the existence of Israel to the 19th century, and no the largest temple is not in Israel. There are the Administrative buildings, Shrine of the Bab, and holy sites, and many gardens on Mount Carmel. My experience is that it is the average Jews of Israel that respect the Baha'is. Many get married at near the Gardens and have their wedding pictures taken there. The ultranationalists and conservatives are in a world of their own.

 

[epronovost]

Many get married at near the Gardens and have their wedding pictures taken there.

You can't argue against a beautiful garden

 

[shunyadragon]

These Christians would generally be considered idiots when it comes to this judgement of Islam whose recognised as one of the five major religions of the world by pretty much anybody who isn't some rabid lunatic. As fo the LDS Church, they are usually categorised as a sub-sect of Christianity. Cults describe only very small religious community, weirdo fanatics who admire a particular person or thing in excess or the special religious veneration of a figure or object within an already established religious faith (example: the "cult of the Virgin Mary" within Christianity).

In the Watchman Fellowship Christian list includes the LDS and Islam: Index of Cults and Religions | Watchman Fellowship, Inc.

 

[Thief]

A couple of questions:
Are you reading Job from the perspective of an ancient Middle Easterner or a modern Westerner? Their world view was about 100% opposite to ours.

Are you taking the overall context of the scriptures in account when you read Job? There are many scriptures that say it is impossible for Christians to loose the right hand of God. Here's one:

Eph 4:30,

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
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Sealed means sealed.

as in...?????
branded?

taking a mark is all fine and good

I have considered some tattoos
just so my fellowman might take a pause before saying something stupid to me

but no....

I have also considered.....the mark
as I stand before God and heaven
and the devil right behind me

so.....you have a seal on you?

does it look like the mark Cain took …..delivered by God

 

[epronovost]

In the Watchman Fellowship Christian list includes the LDS and Islam: Index of Cults and Religions | Watchman Fellowship, Inc.

I would then count the source as suspect. Considering it's an apologetic ministry with a mission to evangelise people in other religion and cults created by a Texan dominionist, it basically ticks all the boxes of a very poor and biased source. Don't ask fools for wisdom.

 

[Thief]

I'd have problem with being judged based on my heart, intent and actions, tbh.

so you DO suspect....a standard Greater than your own

 

[shunyadragon]

I would then count the source as suspect. Considering it's an apologetic ministry with a mission to evangelise people in other religion and cults created by a Texan dominionist, it basically ticks all the boxes of a very poor and biased source. Don't ask fools for wisdom.

As far as reality goes over half the Christians in the country are affiliated with an apostolic, evangelical or fundamentalist ministries that likewise consider other religions and even churches like the RCC as cults., and I could easily lengthen the list. Your definition is too narrow concerning what different religions consider other beliefs as 'cults,'

The Baptists consider the RCC and LDS, and other churches and religions that teach false doctrine cults, for example: Why The RCC Is A Cult

 

[epronovost]

As far as reality goes over half the Christians in the country are affiliated with an apostolic, evangelical or fundamentalist ministries that likewise consider other religions and even churches like the RCC as cults., and I could easily lengthen the list. Your definition is too narrow concerning what different religions consider other beliefs as 'cults,'

The definition I provided is the usual "dictionnary definition" and the one used by all religious study, sociologist and historians scholars. My definition is basically "the norm" and has the advantage of not being biased by religious doctrines. A lot of idiots suporting a particular view doesn't make this view correct nor does it make it a good neutral standard on which to orient discussion.

 

[Thief]

A lot of idiots suporting a particular view doesn't make this view correct nor does it make it a good neutral standard on which to orient discussion.

so you DO suspect....no neutrality

if ever God and heaven is in front of you
and the devil is behind you

your standard before heaven might fail

and the devil behind you.....will laugh

 

[shunyadragon]

The definition I provided is the usual "dictionnary definition" and the one used by all religious study, sociologist and historians scholars. My definition is basically "the norm" and has the advantage of not being biased by religious doctrines. A lot of idiots suporting a particular view doesn't make this view correct nor does it make it a good neutral standard on which to orient discussion.

No particular view is necessarily considered correct when you consider how different religions relate to those who believe differently particularly when they are hostile to other beliefs.

I prefer to orient the discussion as how 'words' are used in the real world. Citing one definition does not reflect how the term 'cult' is used in the real world. I can continue to cite a number of Christian sources where other religions and churches are considered 'cults', because they are considered teaching false doctrines.

The Baha'i Faith is not small by thy the standards you cite, and it is widely considered a cult in Islam and by many conservative churches. The Baha'i Faith has millions of believers established in most countries.

 

[Thief]

but as we stand before God and heaven

who is to blame?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

so you DO suspect....a standard Greater than your own

Eeek! That was supposed to read 'Id have no problem...'

Me typing on phone = mistakes

I've corrected my original post now, sorry for any confusion.

 

[Thief]

Eeek! That was supposed to read 'Id have no problem...'

Me typing on phone = mistakes

I've corrected my original post now, sorry for any confusion.

so.....you might then stand before God and heaven

somewhat confused?

 

[shunyadragon]

but as we stand before God and heaven

who is to blame?

God . . .

 

[Thief]

God . . .

good luck with that

 

[lewisnotmiller]

so.....you might then stand before God and heaven

somewhat confused?

Sure. If there's a God and heaven, and I've lived my life as an atheist, confusion or surprise would be natural.
Key word is if. Not gonna live my life based on if.

 

[shunyadragon]

good luck with that

God Created all of our physical existence including how the nature of humanity exists, therefore God is responsible for Creation and the nature of humanity.

 

[Thief]

God Created all of our physical existence including how the nature of humanity exists, therefore God is responsible for Creation and the nature of humanity.

yeah but.....

the question will be.....What do you believe?

and who is to blame for that?

 

[shunyadragon]

yeah but.....

the question will be.....What do you believe?

and who is to blame for that?

Yeah, but, but, but, and ah . . . but, but . . .

I believe. . .

God Created all of our physical existence including how the nature of humanity exists, therefore God is responsible for Creation and the nature of humanity.

 

[Thief]

Yeah, but, but, but, and ah . . . but, but . . .

I believe. . .

God Created all of our physical existence including how the nature of humanity exists, therefore God is responsible for Creation and the nature of humanity.

your nature is one thing

your frame of mind is yours