Who Or What Is Christian?

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There has always been men and women in this country who live by faith in God .
They are living receptacles of His Holy Spirit.
Accordingly God has always been here and God has never gone away .
There is no "return" of Him because He has not gone anywhere .
This is not unique to the U.S.
God moves in the affairs of all nations , and just saying you are a Christian nation does not make it so.
Hitler co-opted the bible and church for his own purposes and at the same time he imprisoned and executed the true Christians who called him out for the demonic injustice he institutionalized & seized upon sensing the spiritual hate that existed in Germany & Europe just below the surface for the Jews. in the end God took a wrecking ball to Germany and by His will had Hitler put a gun to his own head.
The proof is in the Blessing or the Judgement dispensed by God.
I think there is no denying that given his life being spared by millimeters God has certainly awaken a faith in Trump that may have been coming to fruition all along, or not ?
It may just be a passing fancy, or it my be established in the solid rock
Time will tell us.
His brush with death being just the culmination of an unending years long barrage of persecutions intended to break him both physically and spiritually.
Only the ignorant carnal minded man would think that by erasing founding texts, references , institutions , ceremonies, statues , symbols, etc,etc,etc, to God of our nation would think that in doing so they have written God's obituary .
In fact quite the opposite they are only insuring faith's fruition , as I think we are seeing the beginnings of right now, not caused by Trump but caused by the people of the nation desiring not the superficial carnally minded tinselled perishable rewards being dangled in front of them every election season by government , but instead by increasingly desiring the emancipation of their souls.

"The just shall live by faith" - Habakkuk 2:4

Deuteronomy 28:15

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:


1. Are you saying that the United States is Not a Christian Nation, although has Christian Men/Women living in the Country?

2. Given that everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God, Hitler was an Instrument of Elohim/God to Punish the Jews. Do you accept this?

3. If the Assassination attempt was Real than Elohim/God spared President Trump's life. If not a Real Assassination attempt, Elohim/God Deceived many of the US Electorate through Devil/Satan to gain Electoral Advantage. Either way it Impacted US Sentiment.


The "God On Trial" Television Play was written by a Roman Catholic.


God on Trial trailer

 

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Deuteronomy 28:15

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:


1. Are you saying that the United States is Not a Christian Nation, although has Christian Men/Women living in the Country?

I don't believe there is any such thing as a "Christian Nation", there are only people who are Christians.
I concede that America was founded by a majority of Christian men who strove to base our founding documents in God's Word.

Deuteronomy 28:15

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:


2. Given that everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God, Hitler was an Instrument of Elohim/God to Punish the Jews. Do you accept this?

Yes it is God's method to be merciful to His repentant & to chastise the stiff necked.
It also shows that Hitler was biblically ignorant or he would have known God's pattern for the fate that follows for the "instrument"" He chooses to chastise His people with once He has chastised them.
It also shows Hitler's ignorance in not understanding that God's method never corresponds to our single mindedness.
Hitler had no clue that when all was said and done and He laid dead from his own hand his actions were going to result in the Jews being brought back into the land and the establishment of Israel.

Do you think if Hitler had known ahead of time that God's use of him was two fold, using him both to chastise the Jews and then to bring about a mass immigration back into the land He would have done what he did or would have refused to be an instrument in the creation of modern day nation Israel ?

 

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3. If the Assassination attempt was Real than Elohim/God spared President Trump's life. If not a Real Assassination attempt, Elohim/God Deceived many of the US Electorate through Devil/Satan to gain Electoral Advantage. Either way it Impacted US Sentiment.

Time will tell us which one it was.

 

[Elihoenai]

I don't believe there is any such thing as a "Christian Nation", there are only people who are Christians.
I concede that America was founded by a majority of Christian men who strove to base our founding documents in God's Word.

It's Certainly True that a "Christian Nation" does not exist from an Earthly perspective. That's because Real Christianity is Unpopular for the Few. The "Cristian Nation" that exists are the True Men/Women located all over the World that have Consecrated their Heart to Elohim/God in the Christian Faith.

Yes it is God's method to be merciful to His repentant & to chastise the stiff necked.
It also shows that Hitler was biblically ignorant or he would have known God's pattern for the fate that follows for the "instrument"" He chooses to chastise His people with once He has chastised them.
It also shows Hitler's ignorance in not understanding that God's method never corresponds to our single mindedness.
Hitler had no clue that when all was said and done and He laid dead from his own hand his actions were going to result in the Jews being brought back into the land and the establishment of Israel.

Exodus 4:11

11 And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord?


Elohim/God Opened the Eyes of Hitler to the Hatred of the Jews and made Hitler Blind to the Love of the Jews. Remember Hitler was a Roman Catholic, therefore, he viewed himself doing the Will of Elohim/God. It appears the Intention was to Remove Religious Jews from Germany to open the door to Return to their own Homeland. There has always been the "Jewish Question" in every nation that Jews Reside throughout history, as they were seen as Aliens/Foreigners.

Do you think if Hitler had known ahead of time that God's use of him was two fold, using him both to chastise the Jews and then to bring about a mass immigration back into the land He would have done what he did or would have refused to be an instrument in the creation of modern day nation Israel ?

Roman Catholic Hitler viewed himself as an Instrument of Elohim/God Punishing and Removing Alien Jews. The Creation of the Modern Day Israel doesn't matter in Spiritual Terms, given that Jews are Not Saved Rejecting Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.

 

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Time will tell us which one it was.

Ephesians 2:2

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:



Yes, the Truth Will Out. We know that in Worldly Politics it's All Deceit and Manipulation what you can make the Electorate Believe. In the United States like in England Worldly Politics is Machiavellianism/Satanism.

Niccolò Machiavelli

"...After his death Machiavelli's name came to evoke unscrupulous acts of the sort he advised most famously in his work, The Prince.[9] He claimed that his experience and reading of history showed him that politics has always involved deception, treachery, and crime.[10] He advised rulers to do likewise when political necessity requires it, and argued specifically that successful reformers of states should not be blamed for killing other leaders who could block change.[11][12][13] Machiavelli's Prince has been surrounded by controversy since it was published. Some consider it to be a straightforward description of political reality. Others view The Prince as a manual, teaching would-be tyrants how they should seize and maintain power.[14] Even into recent times, some scholars, such as Leo Strauss, have restated the traditional opinion that Machiavelli was a "teacher of evil"...."

Niccolò Machiavelli - Wikipedia

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Do you think if Hitler had known ahead of time that God's use of him was two fold, using him both to chastise the Jews and then to bring about a mass immigration back into the land He would have done what he did or would have refused to be an instrument in the creation of modern day nation Israel ?

Roman Catholic Hitler viewed himself as an Instrument of Elohim/God Punishing and Removing Alien Jews. The Creation of the Modern Day Israel doesn't matter in Spiritual Terms, given that Jews are Not Saved Rejecting Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.

Hitler never envisioned anything but His "final solution" for the Jews which was to kill them all .
We know he had no thought of any escaping back to their promised homeland because that is the reason Hitler moved his army with Romel into North Africa so to eventually drive the British out of the Middle East and take control of it.
If Hitler had not been defeated in Africa he would have taken control of the middle east and ensured that any surviving Jews had no homeland to return to.
Once again showing his ignorance of scripture in which God has spoken it , that his people would one day be brought back into the promised land where God would chastise them one last time which has not happened yet , to teach them their most bitter lesson yet that their King had already been with them and they killed Him.

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

 

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The Bible says:
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
Acts 11:26

Well, no, the bible doesn't say that, only the unknown author(s) of Acts in the NT.

And like all the NT authors, the one who wrote this never met an historical Jesus, so he was simply reporting hearsay, however traditional to his branch of proto-Christianity.

All good historians are very careful about such things, so I trust you are too.

 

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Jeremiah 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Receiving Yeshua/Jesus is Not Easy as it sounds because of the Inheritance of the Rebellious Heart that has Fortified itself over many generations. What are Christians being Saved From?

Born again Christians are saved from sin. The others have to try to overcome it in their own power.

 

[Elihoenai]

Hitler never envisioned anything but His "final solution" for the Jews which was to kill them all .
We know he had no thought of any escaping back to their promised homeland because that is the reason Hitler moved his army with Romel into North Africa so to eventually drive the British out of the Middle East and take control of it.
If Hitler had not been defeated in Africa he would have taken control of the middle east and ensured that any surviving Jews had no homeland to return to.
Once again showing his ignorance of scripture in which God has spoken it , that his people would one day be brought back into the promised land where God would chastise them one last time which has not happened yet , to teach them their most bitter lesson yet that their King had already been with them and they killed Him.

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Ephesians 6:12

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Matthew 4:8-9

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


Christians should not get Caught Up in Satan's/Devil's Web Of Deception. The Kingdoms of World Belong to Devil/Satan and you are Describing Worldly Matters. Satan's/Devil's Purpose for the Jewish Holocaust was to Convert and Dominate the Jewish Body to Sabbatean-Frankism. In that Way Devil/Satan Tarnishes the Good Name of Elohim/God with, what most people Believe, are Elohim's/God's Chosen People.


Frankism

Frankism is a Sabbatean religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries,[1] created in Podolia, named after its founder, Jacob Frank. Frank completely rejected Jewish norms, preaching to his followers that they were obligated to transgress moral boundaries.

Frankism - Wikipedia

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Al Goldstein

Alvin Goldstein (January 10, 1936 – December 19, 2013) was an American pornographer best known for helping normalize hardcore pornography in the United States.

Al Goldstein - Wikipedia

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Reuben Sturman

Reuben Sturman (August 16, 1924 – October 27, 1997), sometimes referred as the "Walt Disney of Porn",[1] was an American pornographer and businessman from Ohio, who co-founded sex toys company Doc Johnson. He was featured as a subject in Eric Schlosser's 2003 book on underground economies, Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs, and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market.

Reuben Sturman - Wikipedia

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[Elihoenai]

Born again Christians are saved from sin. The others have to try to overcome it in their own power.

Matthew 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.


Yes indeed, that is what the Christian Faith is All About. Being Saved From Sin. This is Yeshua's/Jesus's Mission. His Name will be Called Yesuah/Jesus because he will Save His People From Their Sins. Satan's/Devil's Mission is to keep you Enslaved to Sin because therein He Is Worshipped in Total Devotion and Opposition to Elohim/God.

At the Beginning of the Journey you have to Give All Your Power and Strength to Elohim/God to Overcome the Great Sin Resistance of the Rebellious Man/Woman. When this is Overcome the Burden is Light in Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.

 

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Hitler never envisioned anything but His "final solution" for the Jews which was to kill them all .
We know he had no thought of any escaping back to their promised homeland because that is the reason Hitler moved his army with Romel into North Africa so to eventually drive the British out of the Middle East and take control of it.
If Hitler had not been defeated in Africa he would have taken control of the middle east and ensured that any surviving Jews had no homeland to return to.
Once again showing his ignorance of scripture in which God has spoken it , that his people would one day be brought back into the promised land where God would chastise them one last time which has not happened yet , to teach them their most bitter lesson yet that their King had already been with them and they killed Him.

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Christians should not get Caught Up in Satan's/Devil's Web Of Deception. The Kingdoms of World Belong to Devil/Satan and you are Describing Worldly Matters.

This world is being leased to Satan for the purposes of God .
And just as God gave temporary permission to Satan to vex Job as no other human up to a point , so there is obviously a limit to what Satan can do being granted temporary lease of the earth.
Give me any logical reason you think can that if Satan had full control he would not have had Hitler defeat all other nations and then fulfil his greatest desire to kill and remove all Jews from the earth forever.
This is an obvious stumbling block for you in suggesting that Satan has total control .
God still moves in the affairs of nations, the fact there is a nation Israel today is detestable to Satan and if he could wipe it from the earth today he would not hesitate for a second to do so.
He possession of this world is a conditional lease, just as his access to vex Job more than any other human was conditional .
Satan's lease on this world is conditional and like all leases it has a date of termination.

Revelation 11:15
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Elihoenai]

This world is being leased to Satan for the purposes of God .
And just as God gave temporary permission to Satan to vex Job as no other human up to a point , so there is obviously a limit to what Satan can do being granted temporary lease of the earth.
Give me any logical reason you think can that if Satan had full control he would not have had Hitler defeat all other nations and then fulfil his greatest desire to kill and remove all Jews from the earth forever.
This is an obvious stumbling block for you in suggesting that Satan has total control .
God still moves in the affairs of nations, the fact there is a nation Israel today is detestable to Satan and if he could wipe it from the earth today he would not hesitate for a second to do so.
He possession of this world is a conditional lease, just as his access to vex Job more than any other human was conditional .
Satan's lease on this world is conditional and like all leases it has a date of termination.

Revelation 11:15
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


This is a Religious Discussion and Not a Logical one. I'm Certainly Not saying that Satan/Devil has Full Control. To the Contrary, Satan/Devil is Elohim's/God's Instrument to Punish Evildoers and Try the Saints. It's Not Possible for Satan/Devil to act outside the Will of Elohim/God.

I'm saying that the Purpose of Satan/Devil Implementing the Holocaust was to Convert and Dominate the Jewish Body With Sabbatean-Frankism. In that Way Devil/Satan Tarnishes the Good Name of Elohim/God with what most people Believe are Elohim's/God's Chosen People. Are you listening? If it was the Will of Elohim/God to Kill Off all Ethnic Jews through Satan/Devil all Ethnic Jews would be Dead. Everything that Happens is the Will of Elohim/God. Elohim/God is Good and Evil. Elohim/God is Omni. Is that clear enough?

 

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Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


This is a Religious Discussion and Not a Logical one. I'm Certainly Not saying that Satan/Devil has Full Control. To the Contrary, Satan/Devil is Elohim's/God's Instrument to Punish Evildoers and Try the Saints. It's Not Possible for Satan/Devil to act outside the Will of Elohim/God.

I'm saying that the Purpose of Satan/Devil Implementing the Holocaust was to Convert and Dominate the Jewish Body With Sabbatean-Frankism. In that Way Devil/Satan Tarnishes the Good Name of Elohim/God with what most people Believe are Elohim's/God's Chosen People. Are you listening? If it was the Will of Elohim/God to Kill Off all Ethnic Jews through Satan/Devil all Ethnic Jews would be Dead. Everything that Happens is the Will of Elohim/God. Elohim/God is Good and Evil. Elohim/God is Omni. Is that clear enough?

Not clear at all.
The " Jewish Body" will never be "Dominated" by spiritual infidelity as they will never be without a remnant of faithful Jews who will be the ones on that future day when Lord comes to rule over the earth to mourn over the King they had not received & killed.
God who cannot lie has declared it .
Zec 12:10
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And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

 

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Not clear at all.
The " Jewish Body" will never be "Dominated" by spiritual infidelity as they will never be without a remnant of faithful Jews who will be the ones on that future day when Lord comes to rule over the earth to mourn over the King they had not received & killed.
God who cannot lie has declared it .
Zec 12:10
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And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Numbers 23:19

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


I see that you don't Acknowledge the Domination of Sabbatean-Frankism Satanists over the Ethnic Jewish Body. The Jewish Body are in Total Rebellion Against Elohim/God Rejecting Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ. Anybody whether Ethnic Jew or Non-Jew that Rejects Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ are Dominated by Evil and Evildoers. Given you don't understand this, how can you be a Christian?

When I say "Jewish Body" I'm not including the Small Remnant that has Escaped the Control of Evil and Evildoers. Who do you consider the Small Jewish Remnant that has Escaped Sabbatean-Frankist Satanist Control?



Al Goldstein

Views on religion

"...In his 2004 book XXX-Communicated: A Rebel Without a Shul, Luke Ford wrote about a conversation with Goldstein, in which Ford asked Goldstein why Jews were dramatically overrepresented in the porn industry. He answered, "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism. Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged." Ford then asked, "What does it mean to you to be a Jew?" To which Goldstein responded, "It doesn't mean anything. It means that I'm called a kike." Ford also asked, "Do you believe in God?" Goldstein said, "I believe in me. I'm God. Screw God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it. We're random. We're the flea on the butt of the dog."..."

Al Goldstein - Wikipedia

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Jewish Quarterly

Jews in the American porn industry

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Not clear at all.
The " Jewish Body" will never be "Dominated" by spiritual infidelity as they will never be without a remnant of faithful Jews who will be the ones on that future day when Lord comes to rule over the earth to mourn over the King they had not received & killed.
God who cannot lie has declared it .
Zec 12:10
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And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

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When I say "Jewish Body" I'm not including the Small Remnant that has Escaped the Control of Evil and Evildoers. Who do you consider the Small Jewish Remnant that has Escaped Sabbatean-Frankist Satanist Control?

The remnant of Jewish believers is past , present, & future .
It is a moving target ever turning over in numbers.
You don't think that Jesus's Jewish apostles all became believers on the same day at the same moment do you ?
Every day in His presence the numbers of the Jewish remnant adjusted, starting with the apostles , continuing with the passage of time to include other Jews such as Nicodemus ,Zacheus, and hundreds of other Jews, including Jesus's own brother and family members who scripture tells us prior to joining the remnant they believed Jesus has gone insane.
All these Jews joining the remnant prior to His death and resurrection after which we are told by the scripture the remnant continued to grow in faith.
All this while at the same time those Jews that He permitted to crucify Him continued to grow even as His resurrection sealed their doom .
These two groups of Jews at odds are exactly what goes on in any gathering of people .
It applies to me and you and those that we gather with as well.
Within those I gather with and within those you gather with there is division between the true believers as in the remnant and unbelievers posing themselves as believers.
Whether you know it or not ,In whatever group of people you gather with for your weekly worship there are those who are under " Satanist control" given over to evil, posing themselves as believers as well.

Mat 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

 

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The remnant of Jewish believers is past , present, & future .
It is a moving target ever turning over in numbers.
You don't think that Jesus's Jewish apostles all became believers on the same day at the same moment do you ?
Every day in His presence the numbers of the Jewish remnant adjusted, starting with the apostles , continuing with the passage of time to include other Jews such as Nicodemus ,Zacheus, and hundreds of other Jews, including Jesus's own brother and family members who scripture tells us prior to joining the remnant they believed Jesus has gone insane.
All these Jews joining the remnant prior to His death and resurrection after which we are told by the scripture the remnant continued to grow in faith.
All this while at the same time those Jews that He permitted to crucify Him continued to grow even as His resurrection sealed their doom .
These two groups of Jews at odds are exactly what goes on in any gathering of people .
It applies to me and you and those that we gather with as well.
Within those I gather with and within those you gather with there is division between the true believers as in the remnant and unbelievers posing themselves as believers.
Whether you know it or not ,In whatever group of people you gather with for your weekly worship there are those who are under " Satanist control" given over to evil, posing themselves as believers as well.

Mat 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


You are talking to a Christian Gnostic Ascetic Monk that is an Outcast from Christendom. Every person on the Planet are born Evil Children of Satan/Devil from the Womb and Mainstream Christianity Caters for the Naturally Rebellious Against Elohim/God.

You never answered the question. You said there is a Jewish Remnant. Do you mean a Jewish Remnant of Ethnic Jews? Who do you consider to be the Small Jewish Remnant that has Escaped Sabbatean-Frankist Satanist Control?

When you say your Religion is "My Faith" what do you mean? Where do get your Faith from? Are you a Christian?

 

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You never answered the question. You said there is a Jewish Remnant. Do you mean a Jewish Remnant of Ethnic Jews?

The remnant Jews will be the ones prophesied to cometo belief in Jesus during the Tribulation whose bittersweet meeting with Him when He returns is described in detail here :
Zec 12:10
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And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.