Who Said the Bible is True?

[Unification]

Which theists suffer from greatly.

Indeed they do, as does everyone.

 

[Cephus]

One also is a positive claimant. From a physical, natural, limited and lower conscious of truth, you win. Glory is yours.

So you're admitting you've got nothing to present? You've got nothing to show that your position is reasonable yet you still believe it? I hope you can see the utter irrationality of holding such beliefs.

 

[Cephus]

Indeed they do, as does everyone.

Which doesn't change the fact that it is a problem inherent in theism. Recognizing the problem and working to correct it is the first step in any solution.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You yourself are evidence. Every experience that you have is evidence. The vast number of similar experiences reported by mystics in different parts of the world and traditions is evidence. You are clinging to biological reductionism. Where is the proof of the mind? Not the brain, but the mind? It's in people's reported experiences, which are not biological but psychological. You are so wedded to physical science that you continue to ignore that there are epistemologies that have been created specifically to deal with this kind of data - phenomenology, not biology, is the relevant science here.

There is a lot that happens that biology doesn't explain or has yet to observe.

 

[Unification]

So you're admitting you've got nothing to present? You've got nothing to show that your position is reasonable yet you still believe it? I hope you can see the utter irrationality of holding such beliefs.

Those brain pictures that are shown, it would be irrational to show that as tangible proof in itself. We are not the individual nor do we know what they are experiencing.
There is no physical proof of conscious/spirit/whichever one chooses to call it. It is the individual's. What's objective proof is that human's have that same source which enables them to experience their own uniqueness in which cannot be seen to the physcial and natural eye which you are looking for.
Which gates of ones brain are open and experiencing abundant life are the same gates close off to another's.
It is impossible to explain higher consciousness and awareness to one of a natural and physical conscious and awareness.
One needs signs and physical proof because that's what they are, of the natural and physical only capabilities.
If one is hardened and content with limiting themselves, that's their truth and life and that's fine with me.
It is not proof you are seeking, if it were truly that you would learn genuinely how to seek such. Irrationality in itself.
If one's intent isn't of genuine care and one's is, this conversation has no relevance.
One open mind, one closed mind.

 

[Unification]

Which doesn't change the fact that it is a problem inherent in theism. Recognizing the problem and working to correct it is the first step in any solution.

That is all true. In theism, and atheism.

Is that your motive?

 

[Skwim]

There is also "Cognitive dissonance."

So what? There is also peanut butter and spandex.

 

[Unification]

So you're admitting you've got nothing to present? You've got nothing to show that your position is reasonable yet you still believe it? I hope you can see the utter irrationality of holding such beliefs.

I don't believe in "a" God or am a theist. If I don't know something, I don't speak on the matter. If one doesn't know higher consciousness, one should not speak of such or claim it doesn't exist because it doesn't exist to them. That's irrational logic. One speaking on a matter they don't know is subjective and irrational.
Beliefs are beliefs. I choose knowledge, experience, oneness, and both spiritual and physical objective truth amongst all of mankind.

 

[Unification]

So what? There is also peanut butter and spandex.

I love peanut butter!

 

[Desert Snake]

Some random guy in a parking lot told me the Bible is true. I believed him.

 

[Cephus]

Those brain pictures that are shown, it would be irrational to show that as tangible proof in itself. We are not the individual nor do we know what they are experiencing.

What they are subjectively experiencing has no bearing on what is actually happening. The only thing that we actually have any evidence for is that everything is going on inside the physical brain. The only rational position to take on anything is to follow where the objective evidence leads and accept it provisionally until more objective evidence is discovered. You have absolutely no objective evidence whatsoever for your claims, hence accepting them is, by definition, irrational.

There is no physical proof of conscious/spirit/whichever one chooses to call it. It is the individual's. What's objective proof is that human's have that same source which enables them to experience their own uniqueness in which cannot be seen to the physcial and natural eye which you are looking for.

Then the question is, how did you rationally come to the conclusion that it actually existed? How did you get from here to there without leaping to irrational and illogical conclusions? Describe the journey. I don't think you can. I don't think any theist can. That's because it isn't a rational journey, it's an emotional one. If all you have are emotions and couldn't care less about the facts, then you're being extremely immature. That's how children act.

It is impossible to explain higher consciousness and awareness to one of a natural and physical conscious and awareness.

Then you have nothing and there's no need to continue talking. You're just waving your arms around like the crazy guy on the street corner screaming from his soap box that the world is coming to an end. We're not talking about what you want to be true, we're talking about what actually is true and you seem to have seriously confused the two. You seemingly can't tell the difference where your own emotionally comforting fantasies end and the real world begins.

One open mind, one closed mind.

One mind rational, one mind not. Two guesses which one is superior.

 

[Cephus]

I don't believe in "a" God or am a theist. If I don't know something, I don't speak on the matter. If one doesn't know higher consciousness, one should not speak of such or claim it doesn't exist because it doesn't exist to them. That's irrational logic. One speaking on a matter they don't know is subjective and irrational.
Beliefs are beliefs. I choose knowledge, experience, oneness, and both spiritual and physical objective truth amongst all of mankind.

I didn't say anything about a God in what you quoted so I have no idea what you're on about. You don't "know" higher consciousness, you've demonstrated no ability to claim knowledge of such a thing. You *BELIEVE* in higher consciousness, but such a belief is inherently irrational because you cannot demonstrate that it's even remotely possible. You're just running on emotion and adrenaline.

 

[Unification]

The list is endless of imaginary parallels you can draw without showing any of them are accurate or meaningful. Gotcha.

It would be such as the Rorschach ink blot test.
One seeks only knowledge from the physical eye objectively.
Another seeks knowledge of both the higher conscious single eye within objectively and the physcial eye objectively.
Put scripture in front of the world and that's what they get. Limited capability and physical objective things seen by the natural eye which creates divide and irrationality.
The literal physical eye will only see 12 tribes sitting around a tent that a higher presence dwells in.
The higher conscious and single spiritual eye will see within themselves and that it's the 12 cranial nerves surrounding the brain, where "God's" presence is. Creating spiritual objective knowledge. All humans have that in common. Divinity within.
It's the entire scriptures. What one calls "imagination" the other one knows and experiences on a higher consciousness. An external divinity can never be known, an internal divinity can be known.
Most of the scriptures are about God, the brain, and the mind.
Western and eastern hemispheres of brain, spiritually.
Western and eastern hemispheres of the earth, physically.
Those both also tie in objectively.

 

[Skwim]

Some random guy in a parking lot told me the Bible is true. I believed him.

Good thing he didn't tell you that if you took your clothes off you'd be invisible.

 

[Unification]

What they are subjectively experiencing has no bearing on what is actually happening. The only thing that we actually have any evidence for is that everything is going on inside the physical brain. The only rational position to take on anything is to follow where the objective evidence leads and accept it provisionally until more objective evidence is discovered. You have absolutely no objective evidence whatsoever for your claims, hence accepting them is, by definition, irrational.



Then the question is, how did you rationally come to the conclusion that it actually existed? How did you get from here to there without leaping to irrational and illogical conclusions? Describe the journey. I don't think you can. I don't think any theist can. That's because it isn't a rational journey, it's an emotional one. If all you have are emotions and couldn't care less about the facts, then you're being extremely immature. That's how children act.



Then you have nothing and there's no need to continue talking. You're just waving your arms around like the crazy guy on the street corner screaming from his soap box that the world is coming to an end. We're not talking about what you want to be true, we're talking about what actually is true and you seem to have seriously confused the two. You seemingly can't tell the difference where your own emotionally comforting fantasies end and the real world begins.



One mind rational, one mind not. Two guesses which one is superior.

One mind only physically rational, one mind spiritually and physically rational. Two guesses which one is superior.

 

[Unification]

I didn't say anything about a God in what you quoted so I have no idea what you're on about. You don't "know" higher consciousness, you've demonstrated no ability to claim knowledge of such a thing. You *BELIEVE* in higher consciousness, but such a belief is inherently irrational because you cannot demonstrate that it's even remotely possible. You're just running on emotion and adrenaline.

It's demonstrated within myself, and no one can take that away.
The same applies to oneself, how can one physcially explain with physcial evidence it doesn't exist having no such ability because it doesn't exist to oneself?
If one would like proof, genuinely seek such. If one is content with limited knowledge, that it is.

 

[Cephus]

It's demonstrated within myself, and no one can take that away.
The same applies to oneself, how can one physcially explain with physcial evidence it doesn't exist having no such ability because it doesn't exist to oneself?
If one would like proof, genuinely seek such. If one is content with limited knowledge, that it is.

 

[JoStories]

Can't explain such to another and there is no need to even attempt, just will thwart one's peace, oneness, and living in the now. Every one has their own unique experiences and perceptions of truth to them.
The beautiful thing is, behind the individuals unique experience to them, the SAME source is providing the ability for every other human to experience their own unique experience.
We are just being and creating. We choose just how peaceful and/or suffering we want our living to be.

Beautifully spoken and I totally agree. We can share our experiences and discuss the differences we might have in how we view or interpret things. In this life, I prefer to have peace and try to enact with others in the same manner. Bright blessings. Jo

 

[JoStories]

You may roll your eyes if that is how you view what unification had to say but I concur with him and find his posts enlightening and uplifting.

 

[Cephus]

You may roll your eyes if that is how you view what unification had to say but I concur with him and find his posts enlightening and uplifting.

Uplifting and enlightening does not equate to true.