Who Told the First Lie in the Bible ?

[Politesse]

Verse 6 begins "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard..." "A certain man" is not a real man? "A certain man" really means an imaginary man?
A man deciding whether to cut down a fig tree or give it another chance to set fruit is not a plausible reality?

Why do you work so hard not to believe what Jesus wants to tell you?

Luke also says that it is a parable. Not a history lesson. You have to ignore what the Bible itself says about it in order to interpret what follows as a factual account rather than a metaphor. A pretty paradoxa you have made of Jesus' parabola!

 

[Forever_Catholic]

Luke also says that it is a parable. Not a history lesson. You have to ignore what the Bible itself says about it in order to interpret what follows as a factual account rather than a metaphor. A pretty paradoxa you have made of Jesus' parabola!

This back and forth on parables relates to an earlier post about Lazarus and the rich man, which illustrates the continued existence of the soul after physical death, and some of its properties. Since then, it has been an argument against the notion that parables are fiction, and nothing in them is to be taken literally. We’ve been stuck off the real point for a long time, and will probably never get back to it in this thread.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Verse 6 begins "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard..." "A certain man" is not a real man? "A certain man" really means an imaginary man?
A man deciding whether to cut down a fig tree or give it another chance to set fruit is not a plausible reality?
Why do you work so hard not to believe what Jesus wants to tell you?

Jesus used parable stories using real things to stand for, or represent, something.
Jesus apostate Jewish nation had the few-years time while Jesus was preaching to produce good fruits.
If they would Not bear good fruit then that apostate nation would be cut down - Luke 13 vs 6-9
Their religious ' house of worship ' would be left desolate - Matthew 23:38 - because of their apostasy.

 

[Blackmarch]

first lie in the bible as is generally found? i'd have to vote the serpent, who sandwiched it between the truth.

 

[Politesse]

This back and forth on parables relates to an earlier post about Lazarus and the rich man, which illustrates the continued existence of the soul after physical death, and some of its properties. Since then, it has been an argument against the notion that parables are fiction, and nothing in them is to be taken literally. We’ve been stuck off the real point for a long time, and will probably never get back to it in this thread.

I don't see this as a derail, given that we're discussing talking snakes and magical fruits that make you super-smart in the OP.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't see this as a derail, given that we're discussing talking snakes and magical fruits that make you super-smart in the OP.

LOL

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't see this as a derail, given that we're discussing talking snakes and magical fruits that make you super-smart in the OP.

More like a seemingly talking serpent. Satan could have used that serpent as a ventriloquist uses his dummy.
The fruit may have seem magical to Eve if the serpent said he could talk and be smart because he ate some of the forbidden fruit.
The knowledge of good and bad simply meant God would set the boundaries or limits on what was good or not for mankind.
By Adam breaking God's ' No Trespassing ' law, then Adam was taking the Law out of God's hands, so to speak, and putting the Law into his own hands. Meaning now Adam would decide what was good or what was bad without God' say so.
Adam thus set up People Rule as superior to God's Rule as the best way of governing mankind.
Mankind's history has proven man can not successfully govern himself and needs some who can establish Peace on Earth.
Jesus, as King of God's governmental kingdom, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill during Jesus' soon coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This back and forth on parables relates to an earlier post about Lazarus and the rich man, which illustrates the continued existence of the soul after physical death, and some of its properties. Since then, it has been an argument against the notion that parables are fiction, and nothing in them is to be taken literally. We’ve been stuck off the real point for a long time, and will probably never get back to it in this thread.

Gospel writer Luke wrote the soul can be destroyed at Luke 3:23
The wicked will be destroyed forever according to Psalm 92:7
Jesus said to be in fear of him who can destroy the soul - Matthew 10:28
In verse 28 it says in the Douay to be afraid of him who is able to destroy BOTH soul and body in hell.
The English word hell there was translated as hell from the word: Gehenna.
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where thing were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.

At Luke 16 Wasn't Jesus simply saying a certain man was rich, dressed well and ate well ?_____
Where does Jesus say the rich man lived a degraded life style worthy of forever fire ?
Is just being rich, dressing and eating well a crime or a sin in itself ?______
Was the person of James 2:2 wearing a GOLD ring considered as wrong ?_____

Lazarus, on the other hand, was hungry, covered with sores and licked by dogs.
Is Lazarus being hungry and sick proving a person to be righteous in itself ?______

The Catholic Jerusalem Bible in its footnote explains this this is a " parable in story form without reference to any historical personage."

 

[BilliardsBall]

The first person recorded in the Bible as questioning God is a snake.