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Who Was Baha’u’llah, and How Can We Evaluate His Claims?
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Trailblazer
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Baha'u'llah did not claim that "All previous religions were corrupted versions of the one true religion."
He claimed that there is only one true religion of God that is revealed in various stages over time.
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Trailblazer
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It is true that only men can serve on the UHJ.REALLY? I haven't read this from the Bahais here. Is this true?
It is not true that Baha'u'llah is guilty of misogyny/sexist discrimination.
That is called the fallacy of jumping to conclusions, but when one is running low on gas, they tend to go looking for a gas station.
Looks like our KWED is looking for a fill-up.
Have fun, because it is a known fact that all the calumny is what causes a religion to be recognized, so it has the opposite of the intended effect.
“No one casts stones at a tree without fruit. No one tries to extinguish a lamp without light! …….
And I say unto you that no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God; it can only result in causing it to be more universally recognized. If a cause were of no significance, who would take the trouble to work against it!
But always the greater the cause the more do enemies arise in larger and larger numbers to attempt its overthrow! The brighter the light the darker the shadow! Our part it is to act in accordance with the teaching of Bahá’u’lláh in humility and firm steadfastness.”
Paris Talks, pp. 105-106
Trailblazer
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You are free to take your chances as we all are because you have free will.
Trailblazer
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No, that logic does not follow. Even of He was a false prophet I would not be rejecting God.
I believe in God and Jesus so I am covered.
Who is covering your bases?It is not an opinion, it is a belief.
You have also made your bet and you will just have to wait for the result.
I am not worried because I know that God knows I am sincere. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which means that believing in a false prophet is not an unforgivable sin.
31: EXPLANATION OF BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT
CG Didymus
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Just like I don't see that the "Three Woes" refer to Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, but to Baha'is it is so clear and obvious.
CG Didymus
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Oh, how about the year 1260. Is there any significance to that year as being special?
Yes, the history of religion does indicate that not all see the wisdom God offers.
Regards Tony
Yes you get to choose how you see it CG. You have the same material to look at that I have.
Regards Tony
All have CG, to those that chose the path. We have another chance, right now, we get a lifetime to choose.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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One would have to be blind to miss it, Imo.
Trailblazer
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but the darkest hour is just before the Dawn of the New Era.
That is when God sends a new Messenger to bring the Light.
Trailblazer
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Sorry for the belated reply. I have been having many difficulties with my husband’s health condition but I never forget my favorite atheists, you and @HonestJoe.
Rather, I save your posts for when I have time to write a thoughtful response.
Bahá’u’lláh forbade His followers to attribute miracles to Him because this would have amounted to the degradation of His exalted station. Nevertheless, there are many accounts left to posterity by His disciples, describing the circumstances in which He either healed incurables or raised the dead.
None of these supernatural acts were considered by His followers to be a proof of the truth of His Cause, since they are only convincing to a limited number of people and they are not decisive proofs even for those who see them.
* * * * * * * * * * * *
One time, the religious leaders in Persia asked Baha’u’llah to perform a miracle to prove the reality of His mission. Here’s what happened:
The ‘ulama recognize without hesitation and confess the knowledge and virtue of Bahá’u’lláh, and they are unanimously convinced that in all learning he has no peer or equal; and it is also evident that he has never studied or acquired this learning; but still the ‘ulama say, ‘We are not contented with this; we do not acknowledge the reality of his mission by virtue of his wisdom and righteousness. Therefore, we ask him to show us a miracle in order to satisfy and tranquilize our hearts.’
Bahá’u’lláh replied, “Although you have no right to ask this, for God should test His creatures, and they should not test God, still I allow and accept this request. But the Cause of God is not a theatrical display that is presented every hour, of which some new diversion may be asked for every day. If it were thus, the Cause of God would become mere child’s play.
The ulamas must, therefore, assemble, and, with one accord, choose one miracle, and write that, after the performance of this miracle they will no longer entertain doubts about Me, and that all will acknowledge and confess the truth of My Cause. Let them seal this paper, and bring it to Me. This must be the accepted criterion: if the miracle is performed, no doubt will remain for them; and if not, We shall be convicted of imposture.” The learned man, Hasan ‘Amu, rose and replied, “There is no more to be said”; he then kissed the knee of the Blessed One although he was not a believer, and went. He gathered the ‘ulama and gave them the sacred message. They consulted together and said, “This man is an enchanter; perhaps he will perform an enchantment, and then we shall have nothing more to say.” Acting on this belief, they did not dare to push the matter further. [The penetrating judgment of Bahá’u’lláh upon this occasion overcame the malignity of His enemies, who, it was certain, would never agree in choosing what miracle to ask for.] (Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 29-30)
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
Bahá’u’lláh seldom responded positively to those who demanded miracles from Him. But He often revealed a measure of His glory and power to those who had recognized Him in order to strengthen their Faith:
It is not right for man to test God. Bahá’u’lláh seldom responded positively to those who demanded miracles from Him. But He often revealed a measure of His glory and power to those who had recognized Him in order to strengthen their Faith. (Adib Taherzadeh, The Revelation of Baha’u’llah v 4, p. 54-55)
Famous Miracles in the Baha’i Faith
These prophecies and how they were fulfilled are delineated in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.
Rather, I save your posts for when I have time to write a thoughtful response.
That would only be true if (a) Baha’u’llah claimed to have superpowers, and (b) if Baha’u’llah wanted to demonstrate those. (a) is not the case and (b) is not usually the case, but in one instance Baha'u'llah offered to perform a miracle of their choosing for some Muslims if they would recognize His station as a Messenger of God, but as noted below the Muslims backed out of the deal.
Bahá’u’lláh forbade His followers to attribute miracles to Him because this would have amounted to the degradation of His exalted station. Nevertheless, there are many accounts left to posterity by His disciples, describing the circumstances in which He either healed incurables or raised the dead.
None of these supernatural acts were considered by His followers to be a proof of the truth of His Cause, since they are only convincing to a limited number of people and they are not decisive proofs even for those who see them.
* * * * * * * * * * * *
One time, the religious leaders in Persia asked Baha’u’llah to perform a miracle to prove the reality of His mission. Here’s what happened:
The ‘ulama recognize without hesitation and confess the knowledge and virtue of Bahá’u’lláh, and they are unanimously convinced that in all learning he has no peer or equal; and it is also evident that he has never studied or acquired this learning; but still the ‘ulama say, ‘We are not contented with this; we do not acknowledge the reality of his mission by virtue of his wisdom and righteousness. Therefore, we ask him to show us a miracle in order to satisfy and tranquilize our hearts.’
Bahá’u’lláh replied, “Although you have no right to ask this, for God should test His creatures, and they should not test God, still I allow and accept this request. But the Cause of God is not a theatrical display that is presented every hour, of which some new diversion may be asked for every day. If it were thus, the Cause of God would become mere child’s play.
The ulamas must, therefore, assemble, and, with one accord, choose one miracle, and write that, after the performance of this miracle they will no longer entertain doubts about Me, and that all will acknowledge and confess the truth of My Cause. Let them seal this paper, and bring it to Me. This must be the accepted criterion: if the miracle is performed, no doubt will remain for them; and if not, We shall be convicted of imposture.” The learned man, Hasan ‘Amu, rose and replied, “There is no more to be said”; he then kissed the knee of the Blessed One although he was not a believer, and went. He gathered the ‘ulama and gave them the sacred message. They consulted together and said, “This man is an enchanter; perhaps he will perform an enchantment, and then we shall have nothing more to say.” Acting on this belief, they did not dare to push the matter further. [The penetrating judgment of Bahá’u’lláh upon this occasion overcame the malignity of His enemies, who, it was certain, would never agree in choosing what miracle to ask for.] (Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 29-30)
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
Bahá’u’lláh seldom responded positively to those who demanded miracles from Him. But He often revealed a measure of His glory and power to those who had recognized Him in order to strengthen their Faith:
It is not right for man to test God. Bahá’u’lláh seldom responded positively to those who demanded miracles from Him. But He often revealed a measure of His glory and power to those who had recognized Him in order to strengthen their Faith. (Adib Taherzadeh, The Revelation of Baha’u’llah v 4, p. 54-55)
Famous Miracles in the Baha’i Faith
I can agree that we cannot know if He was the messiah by His character and his life, but one way we can know if He was the messiah is by looking at the Bible prophecies that state what the messiah would do. From looking at those we can see that Baha’u’llah fulfilled those prophecies for the coming of the messiah, what would happen when He appeared. These are the same prophecies we have in the Bible for the return of Christ, since the messiah was also the return of Christ, the second coming.
These prophecies and how they were fulfilled are delineated in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
With both parts?
It does. Especially of those morals are contradictory too those proposed by god.
I consider capital punishment to be immoral, especially if the method is intended to cause extreme suffering. God supports torturing people to death. Therefore my morality cannot come from god.
QED
And yet, your answer to difficult issues is usually to ignore the arguments and simply quote scripture. That is the definition of blind adherence to dogma.
One does not need to be "god" to be able to predict certain outcomes.
In which case, how is the Bahai's magic utopia to come about?
There's that blind adherence to dogma again.
"Exalted" des not mean "informed". It means "raised to the highest levels". "Magnify his testimony" also implies something beyond the ordinary. So it is saying that the message of Bahullah will be not just known by everyone on earth (pretty unlikely) but will be considered something important and meaningful (even less likely).
And there he is saying that god's plan requires everyone to follow Bahaiism.
So if you know that Bahaiism is not the faith that will save the world and you would need to join a different one, why are you following it?
You just claimed that the only solution is for everyone to follow the same faith (one that has yet to be invented). You also just claimed that it will happen anyway, because god has ordained it. So there is no need to preach that message and you should all be concentrating on more practical, urgent issues.
But you clearly don't. As you stated earlier in this post...
"We have to go by what was written by Baha'u'llah"
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Ok. Explain how...
Misogyny/sexist discrimination.
Homophobia/sexual intolerance.
Burning people alive as a punishment for arson.
Can help bring about global peace and unity.