Who were the Christians? De Santis's GOP or Martha's Vineyard plain folk?

[Sheldon]

No... your position is unsupportable. Try again.

Not my position, you created a ludicrous straw man, I tried to help you understand this with a counter example, until you grasp that fact you're just thrashing about meaninglessly.

Go and learn what reductio ad absurdum fallacies are, then go back and acknowledge you created one with a ludicrous straw man. If you can learn and understand that much you might be on the path to actually debating the topic for once.

You don't leave you door open and you don't leave your borders open.

Repeating your straw man doesn't make it any less irrational a response to my questions, that you have again ignored, but then everyone knows by now that you never ever answer questions. What's amusing is you think your bad faith evasion is "smashing the debate out of the park" when they're simply embarrassing.

Go back re-read your claims, I made none, and then note the questions addressed to those claims:


1. Do terrorist tend to be foiled by strict immigration policies then?
2. Or is this all too easy and emotive trope a rather lazy ruse to disguise the prejudice of the real target?

I'll waste my time and give you a helping nudge, this is nothing to do with current border policies in the US, it's about the generic tropes extremists like yourself use to misrepresent rhetoric as fact.

 

[Sheldon]

The Left doesn't want to offend its base, that's why they aren't motivated stop illegal immigration.

The left, is as meaningless a trope as the right, only extremists use such risible sweeping claims.

Anyone who thinks good or bad ideas only come from one side of the political spectrum is both an extremist and pretty stupid in my experience.

Lets try this, do you think illegal immigrants generate any benefit for the US economy? Do you think all illegal immigration should or even can be stopped? Do you think this might harm the us economy in any way? Reducing complex issues like immigration to facile rhetoric and soundbites isn't remotely addressing any of the issues surrounding it, it's simply bigotry.

 

[Sheldon]

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So... are you a "no borders one world" believer?

I made no claims about border control, you did, and have since laughably refused to answer some pretty straightforward questions about your claims:

1. do you think those demographics tend to pay attention to legal barriers in their way?
2. Do you think all terrorists are necessarily foreign?
3. Do you think the majority of criminals are illegal immigrants?
4. Do you think the majority of illegal immigrants are intent on criminality beyond the fact they have broken immigration laws?

 

[Colt]

Lets try this, do you think illegal immigrants generate any benefit for the US economy?

Depends on who you ask and their modality.

Do you think all illegal immigration should or even can be stopped?

Yes, and maybe one day reasonable people will outweigh the enablers.

Do you think this might harm the us economy in any way?

No.

 

[sun rise]

The Left doesn't want to offend its base, that's why they aren't motivated stop illegal immigration.

Why not look at the evidence just for fun - Biden deported more than Trump The 700,000 Club: Joe Biden’s Deportation Frenzy | MR Online

 

[sun rise]

How many terrorists did it take to knock down the twin towers?

How many attacks have there been since then?

And how did those terrorists get into the US? Through legal means..

Which border is more porous into the US? Canada

What is the largest source of attacks in the US? American citizens

It would be helpful to have a fact-based discussion focused on the real problems and effective solutions.

 

[Kenny]

How many attacks have there been since then?

And how did those terrorists get into the US? Through legal means..

Which border is more porous into the US? Canada

What is the largest source of attacks in the US? American citizens

It would be helpful to have a fact-based discussion focused on the real problems and effective solutions.

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11 - Wikipedia

I don't know. I'm not even sure how many were stopped and never reported to prevent panic. I don't know many of those reported came in legal or illegal.

But crime does terrorize people:

Crimes committed by illegal immigrants surged in 2021 after declining in previous years

I am sure you are not suggesting that just because we haven't had one, open borders limits them more. Like those who promote porn, they are always trying to get through the firewall laws and certainly when borders were hardened, they would then attempt to enter legally. But, again, I am sure you aren't suggesting that just because they entered legally doesn't translate into "just leave the borders open because terrorists will always come in the hardest way possible and legally"

 

[Colt]

Why not look at the evidence just for fun - Biden deported more than Trump The 700,000 Club: Joe Biden’s Deportation Frenzy | MR Online

I'm aware that quietly they deport people, Obama did as well, but publicly they don't. Ragn granted amnesty with the faith that the border would then be enforced but he was naive. Ragans amnesty was the "green light" for millions more to enter illegally who anticipate yet another amnesty.

 

[Colt]

 

[metis]

The vast majority of Dems, including Biden and most in Congress, do not support "open borders" that is mere nothing more than a stereotypical talking point on Fox and other right-wing sources.

On top of that, "illegals" have a lower overall crime rate than the general Populis here.

 

[metis]

BTW, if someone came to my house unwanted, so I then took money from others to bus them unannounced to your house while lying to them and also without even asking you, would we still be fiends?

 

[pearl]

On top of that, "illegals" have a lower overall crime rate than the general Populis here.

Its a mistake to classify these immigrants as 'illegals' as they were legally awaiting their amnesty hearings. The Vineyard has been more than welcoming, as the Cape itself, with housing, food, money etc.

 

[metis]

Its a mistake to classify these immigrants as 'illegals' as they were legally awaiting their amnesty hearings. The Vineyard has been more than welcoming, as the Cape itself, with housing, food, money etc.

Exactly on both counts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So in short only the information you like is useful?

okay if you can’t actually discuss the topic I’ll stop wasting my time

You haven't provided any information.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No... your position is unsupportable. Try again. You don't leave you door open and you don't leave your borders open.

Indeed.

Most people trying to come in are people in need, but some of them might try to hit you on the cheek. Or make you walk a mile. Or take your shirt. Gotta make sure that doesn't happen.