I do hope you are right. I admit that anything they do will probably be laughed out of the galaxy.
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Who will be the new Demons?
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I do hope you are right. I admit that anything they do will probably be laughed out of the galaxy.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well, preying upon children is one of the lowest things a person can do, so...
Tom I can't argue with your logic and feelings even a little bit.
Perhaps you recall from my previous posts I served 22.5 years in a very violent
average sized, economically depressed city.
I've seen way too often the results of irresponsible parents raising irresponsible
children that often, very often, run afoul of the law.
They all to often turn to drugs, booze, theft, burglary and worse.
Our juvenile detectives were way too busy chasing the little rats who never saw jail,
sometimes only a group home for a little while were they really learned their
craft from the other juvenile criminals in the same institutions.
All to often there was no father involved & if so the dad was likely a drunk/addict
and mother was no better.
Often the mothers were raising kids alone and not doing a good job of it.
I could write books on "How to Create a Criminal".
I had my share of pedophiles and no jail term is too long for them.
The experts in the field all agree most offenders will offend again.
That's been my real life experience also.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There are still us communists who are considered evil ******** who want to enslave the human race.
There are us MtF transsexuals who want to spy on and rape women in the women's restroom.
Pot heads, because people still think we're the same as crack heads.
Muslims, because people can separate average Christians from Christian terrorists but not average Muslims from Muslim terrorists.
And of course Obama's predecessor, and that predecessor's predecessor, and so on and so forth.
There are us MtF transsexuals who want to spy on and rape women in the women's restroom.
Pot heads, because people still think we're the same as crack heads.
Muslims, because people can separate average Christians from Christian terrorists but not average Muslims from Muslim terrorists.
And of course Obama's predecessor, and that predecessor's predecessor, and so on and so forth.
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
Certainly not endorsing their acts, merely suggesting that they are and are likely to remain among our most potent social demons.
Some demons ought'a remain so.....
murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves, serial killers, corrupt politicians
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Maybe actual demons will be the next group demonized. Our pro-brimstone friends deserve equality too.
It's not a choice, it's the way they are oriented metaphorically.
It's not a choice, it's the way they are oriented metaphorically.
Columbus, I was also born in the 1950’s. My experience was totally different than yours, but frankly I think you are simply stating false narratives with a political agenda. I suppose things can be different, depending on what state you lived in, and I see you say you were in a Christian school, but as far as public school and what “I was taught in school”:
* Absolutely not true regarding blacks and what I was taught in school. In fact, I would say my entire life in school, the theme over and over again from the instructors was “white guilt” and never, absolutely never, were blacks demonized. We were taught, in a sympathetic manner to black civil rights, the civil rights movement, legislation involved, the various politicians at the time including by the way many Republicans who led the way in such legislation, the “Dixiecrats” (Southern Democrats) and their political agendas to hold down black citizens, et all. It was absolutely an effort exactly the opposite of what you say. I know you say you attended a Christian “school” – but honestly, I think you are imaging nonsense as part of your fixation on some agenda or you are an outright liar in all apology or deluded as part of the ceaseless effort by some to blame. Blacks were absolutely NOT “demonized” in any manner in my public school at any grade level.
As I progressed through school, it was very obvious the “liberal” and “Democratic Party” ideations of the instructors. One of the basic themes, constantly, is some sort of guilt trip that I am supposed to have because I am “white”. In fact, the “liberal” agenda, was – relentless. I will get to the “demons” presented to us in a theme oriented way by such instructors in a moment below.
The number one hero in my school(s) without question, constantly given as an example, was Cesar Chavez. After a relentless session of the greatness of Cesar Chavez, I recall going out to play soccer in the field and being attacked by a Mexican boy because of what I “did” regarding “grapes”. He came up from behind and started slugging me in my back. These same boy later would always smoke pot in the same field. This was in High School. We were also specifically instructed by our teachers not to buy grapes – to not go into a Safeway but rather “boycott grapes”. We would report back if we boycotted or not.
* As far as the communists, and crouching under “my desk”, we were given instruction of the dangers of nuclear war. I do not recall crouching under a desk, but I do recall a lot of assurances from various authorities that while the nuclear threat is very real, that every effort will be made to try and keep everyone safe. Yes, I have seen some old films showing children crouching under a desk, considering the reality of the time, perhaps it was the least to do. I do recall being told by a school instructor in the early 1960’s, that every 8 minutes either a US or Soviet high altitude plane is likely over one’s head that likely is armed with a nuclear device and that we should be told the truth. Today, in retrospect, perhaps that revelation was incorrect. But never was there anything even approximate to “brainwashing” demons.
Now also in regards to “crouching under the desk”, I do recall very clearly, again in Junior High School (now called “Middle School”), being shown a black and white film, made about 1950 or 51 or so, of “Duck and Cover” and something also showing some kid going under the desk – it was played to give instruction of just how bad the fear had become at one point. In other words, show to us to give an example of the confusion at the times, not to support the theme of the film. But I do recall, even though there was one that was a cartoon, and presented basically to be “laughed at” as to how “stupid” it was, the other didn’t seem too unreasonable and was simply describing what a nuclear bomb explosions looks like, the flash, the cloud, the danger of radiation.
This was also followed by pictures of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and the horrible destruction, as well as the destruction caused by firebombing Germany.
* I was NEVER told anything about homosexuals in the public school until high school. Never, never was it demonization. In general, where it be heterosexual or homosexual, it wasn’t the trend to go into a lot of details. But I do recall in “Junior High” being forced to read out loud the basic, but pretty explicit, acts of heterosexual sex to everyone in class, and then without anything being explicit an acknowledgement of homosexuality. Again, homosexuals were NOT demonized, and in fact we were made to watch a movie which, I swear I cannot recall the title of, but it was a love story between a teenage male and teenage female in a tough area of NYC, but the focus and post discussion of this black and white film was not on these two characters per say, but rather on a friend of the teenage male who was a homosexual and the struggles he went through. We were given a very sympathetic viewpoint of homosexuality. Maybe your “Christian school” was different … but I am very suspect of these kind of narratives.
I will get to WHO I was often being told to “suspect” strongly (even demonized) in a minute, but let me note to Revoltingest, I do not recall EVER being given some formal “instruction”, certainly not in school, to demonized atheists. I am sure some Christian and other denominations may have given sermons, or stories, et all, demonizing atheists. But I do not recall any public school ever doing so, none, at all levels of my education from “Kindergarten” all the way through to my University.
The “Demons” presented in Public School:
* Very early, in elementary school, we were taught that “KKK” and “right wingers” wanted to kill President (xyz, Kennedy or whatever). There were groups such as the “Minutemen” with guns who needed to be arrested to save America.
* In an example of the “poetry” classes I was required to attend, I recall having to read poems out loud about “The Bomb”, which was basically portraying America as the “problem”. I recall the last words we were made to read outloud in such poems distinctly – the last word was “Zero”. Meaning we (America) set off the bomb and now the world has been destroyed.
* In later years, we were taught explicitly about how Hitler was killing homosexuals, this would be in the Junior High level.
* All of my public school instructors were ardent, obvious Democrats and there was no question, leftwing was the agenda. One constant theme was how I should feel guilty for the “destruction” of American Indians and their “way of life”. There was a constant theme that I am guilty of something. And of course, the endless teaching about “the slavery days”. Somehow, just being born Caucasian, I am guilty. I never had any slaves, however, and none of my ancestors.
* The “evil” of “monopolies” and the “rich industrialists”.
* Roosevelt was God.
* However, (John F.) Kennedy wanted tax cuts, and even he was attacked by these instructors, and we had to write a report in High School specifically about how JFK wanted tax cuts and how evil that was. That was another demon: “tax cuts”.
The “Demons” presented by social movements:
* Some, not all, hippies and others constantly were teaching me that all police are “pigs”.
* “White people” are demons.
* Black Panthers are heroes.
* Angela Davis is a civil rights leader.
et all…
The “Demons” today and in the near future:
- There is NO question in my mind WHO is being demonized today -
* Christians
* The police
* The South
* The Republicans
* The “rich”.
* Anyone who does not believe in “global warming”.
It is relentless, it is full of false narratives. In fact, so full of it that I am now convinced the left wing is mostly systematic liars and want violence as the end game. In my youth and education, there was without a question a leftwing agenda and “demons”. There were not the ones you describe.
I can go on. I am telling God’s truth in everything I said here.
* Absolutely not true regarding blacks and what I was taught in school. In fact, I would say my entire life in school, the theme over and over again from the instructors was “white guilt” and never, absolutely never, were blacks demonized. We were taught, in a sympathetic manner to black civil rights, the civil rights movement, legislation involved, the various politicians at the time including by the way many Republicans who led the way in such legislation, the “Dixiecrats” (Southern Democrats) and their political agendas to hold down black citizens, et all. It was absolutely an effort exactly the opposite of what you say. I know you say you attended a Christian “school” – but honestly, I think you are imaging nonsense as part of your fixation on some agenda or you are an outright liar in all apology or deluded as part of the ceaseless effort by some to blame. Blacks were absolutely NOT “demonized” in any manner in my public school at any grade level.
As I progressed through school, it was very obvious the “liberal” and “Democratic Party” ideations of the instructors. One of the basic themes, constantly, is some sort of guilt trip that I am supposed to have because I am “white”. In fact, the “liberal” agenda, was – relentless. I will get to the “demons” presented to us in a theme oriented way by such instructors in a moment below.
The number one hero in my school(s) without question, constantly given as an example, was Cesar Chavez. After a relentless session of the greatness of Cesar Chavez, I recall going out to play soccer in the field and being attacked by a Mexican boy because of what I “did” regarding “grapes”. He came up from behind and started slugging me in my back. These same boy later would always smoke pot in the same field. This was in High School. We were also specifically instructed by our teachers not to buy grapes – to not go into a Safeway but rather “boycott grapes”. We would report back if we boycotted or not.
* As far as the communists, and crouching under “my desk”, we were given instruction of the dangers of nuclear war. I do not recall crouching under a desk, but I do recall a lot of assurances from various authorities that while the nuclear threat is very real, that every effort will be made to try and keep everyone safe. Yes, I have seen some old films showing children crouching under a desk, considering the reality of the time, perhaps it was the least to do. I do recall being told by a school instructor in the early 1960’s, that every 8 minutes either a US or Soviet high altitude plane is likely over one’s head that likely is armed with a nuclear device and that we should be told the truth. Today, in retrospect, perhaps that revelation was incorrect. But never was there anything even approximate to “brainwashing” demons.
Now also in regards to “crouching under the desk”, I do recall very clearly, again in Junior High School (now called “Middle School”), being shown a black and white film, made about 1950 or 51 or so, of “Duck and Cover” and something also showing some kid going under the desk – it was played to give instruction of just how bad the fear had become at one point. In other words, show to us to give an example of the confusion at the times, not to support the theme of the film. But I do recall, even though there was one that was a cartoon, and presented basically to be “laughed at” as to how “stupid” it was, the other didn’t seem too unreasonable and was simply describing what a nuclear bomb explosions looks like, the flash, the cloud, the danger of radiation.
This was also followed by pictures of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and the horrible destruction, as well as the destruction caused by firebombing Germany.
* I was NEVER told anything about homosexuals in the public school until high school. Never, never was it demonization. In general, where it be heterosexual or homosexual, it wasn’t the trend to go into a lot of details. But I do recall in “Junior High” being forced to read out loud the basic, but pretty explicit, acts of heterosexual sex to everyone in class, and then without anything being explicit an acknowledgement of homosexuality. Again, homosexuals were NOT demonized, and in fact we were made to watch a movie which, I swear I cannot recall the title of, but it was a love story between a teenage male and teenage female in a tough area of NYC, but the focus and post discussion of this black and white film was not on these two characters per say, but rather on a friend of the teenage male who was a homosexual and the struggles he went through. We were given a very sympathetic viewpoint of homosexuality. Maybe your “Christian school” was different … but I am very suspect of these kind of narratives.
I will get to WHO I was often being told to “suspect” strongly (even demonized) in a minute, but let me note to Revoltingest, I do not recall EVER being given some formal “instruction”, certainly not in school, to demonized atheists. I am sure some Christian and other denominations may have given sermons, or stories, et all, demonizing atheists. But I do not recall any public school ever doing so, none, at all levels of my education from “Kindergarten” all the way through to my University.
The “Demons” presented in Public School:
* Very early, in elementary school, we were taught that “KKK” and “right wingers” wanted to kill President (xyz, Kennedy or whatever). There were groups such as the “Minutemen” with guns who needed to be arrested to save America.
* In an example of the “poetry” classes I was required to attend, I recall having to read poems out loud about “The Bomb”, which was basically portraying America as the “problem”. I recall the last words we were made to read outloud in such poems distinctly – the last word was “Zero”. Meaning we (America) set off the bomb and now the world has been destroyed.
* In later years, we were taught explicitly about how Hitler was killing homosexuals, this would be in the Junior High level.
* All of my public school instructors were ardent, obvious Democrats and there was no question, leftwing was the agenda. One constant theme was how I should feel guilty for the “destruction” of American Indians and their “way of life”. There was a constant theme that I am guilty of something. And of course, the endless teaching about “the slavery days”. Somehow, just being born Caucasian, I am guilty. I never had any slaves, however, and none of my ancestors.
* The “evil” of “monopolies” and the “rich industrialists”.
* Roosevelt was God.
* However, (John F.) Kennedy wanted tax cuts, and even he was attacked by these instructors, and we had to write a report in High School specifically about how JFK wanted tax cuts and how evil that was. That was another demon: “tax cuts”.
The “Demons” presented by social movements:
* Some, not all, hippies and others constantly were teaching me that all police are “pigs”.
* “White people” are demons.
* Black Panthers are heroes.
* Angela Davis is a civil rights leader.
et all…
The “Demons” today and in the near future:
- There is NO question in my mind WHO is being demonized today -
* Christians
* The police
* The South
* The Republicans
* The “rich”.
* Anyone who does not believe in “global warming”.
It is relentless, it is full of false narratives. In fact, so full of it that I am now convinced the left wing is mostly systematic liars and want violence as the end game. In my youth and education, there was without a question a leftwing agenda and “demons”. There were not the ones you describe.
I can go on. I am telling God’s truth in everything I said here.
Our society is now based on dogmas. What we think constitutes freedom is actually the remanants of Cold War propaganda and mechanisms of control. We tell ourselves that choice is what makes us free, when we are rats in a maze being manipulated to make one inconsequental choice after another. public opinion is manipulated to a degree which can only be described as totalitarian, but because it's corporations lying to us and not the government we've convinced ourselves that we are free because we chosen to accept it as fact. We have become violently anti-intellectual and anti-scientific when faced with uncomfortable facts. Reality is thought of as a post-modern social construct that depends on how we see it. We chose the security of our own ignorance and defend it as freedom of speech. The democratic process is saturated with unseen enemies, which in the light of facts, are clearly neither as threatening or pervasive as we are told.
Our moral understanding has collapsed, telling ourselves no matter which group of terrorists are funded, or dictatorships supported, or human rights infringed, or countries invaded or 'intervened' in, no matter how often we violate the principles we supposedly hold, we are the good guys. We just wan to cut corners to get the job done. We are governed by fear and ignorance, and the system will manufacturer any enemy you want. You're free to chose. you can hate anyone you like. just so long as you don't change anything. We hate our enemies without understanding who they are and why they oppose us. We're just told they hate our way of life and take it at face value. Whether it's people like assange, snowden or manning leaking documents, or scientists trying to explian to the public the health risks of various products, the threat of climate change, or defending evolution, conventional medicine, or even thomas picketty who mentioned the words "income inequality", what they share in common is the fact that freedom is now a lie and they are trying to tell us. We think that we have the freedom to believe in lies and that makes us easy to control. the new enemy of freedom and democracy is the truth.
Our moral understanding has collapsed, telling ourselves no matter which group of terrorists are funded, or dictatorships supported, or human rights infringed, or countries invaded or 'intervened' in, no matter how often we violate the principles we supposedly hold, we are the good guys. We just wan to cut corners to get the job done. We are governed by fear and ignorance, and the system will manufacturer any enemy you want. You're free to chose. you can hate anyone you like. just so long as you don't change anything. We hate our enemies without understanding who they are and why they oppose us. We're just told they hate our way of life and take it at face value. Whether it's people like assange, snowden or manning leaking documents, or scientists trying to explian to the public the health risks of various products, the threat of climate change, or defending evolution, conventional medicine, or even thomas picketty who mentioned the words "income inequality", what they share in common is the fact that freedom is now a lie and they are trying to tell us. We think that we have the freedom to believe in lies and that makes us easy to control. the new enemy of freedom and democracy is the truth.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Had Marxism not been so demonized, this would probably be apparent to many more people. Neo-Marxism has done a wonderful job at keeping this line of thinking alive, but far too many have become entrenched in the idea that "Coke or Pepsi" is somehow a real choice and real freedom.
What freedoms can we say we have when all but a few are forced to live their lives doing nothing more than propping up a few, just to be tossed table scraps in return?
Personally, I can't wait for the exploitation to really catch up to America, the exportation of exploitation far beyond its capacity, and then our middle class becomes no better off than the lower class, then capitalism will finally be exposed to the masses as the smoke-and-mirrors, empty promises, and destructive and deadly force that it is.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
We always pick the wrong groups........
I would like the new demons to be very very rich tax cheats.
Either them or those who take advantage of and hide within secret societies.
........... but then I always was a bit quixotic......
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I wouldn't mind that myself, but they have too many lackies going around propping them up as the golden cow "job creators."
I suppose that they do create some jobs, but for Chinese workers who live at work and are paid pennies a day.
I think they'll start back on ole' Marijuana... Since that is apparently a good reason to start tolerating gay people.
and liberals for being liberal
I can picture you laughing, fists on hips, saying "Yeah! So?!"
Tom