Who will get to heaven?

[Maponos]

The heroic and pious. Though heaven could be anything from Elysium to Tir na Nog and so on.

 

[Jos]

A Hungry student learns all their life. The exercise is just to allow you to see who you are.

God is a Spiritual Being just as we are. I have had contact with God. I understand why so many are not ready for such an experience. Equally, I understand why God does not direct contact most people.

God does not speak to ordinary people directly.
God only speaks to His Chosen Messengers, who are normally referred to as Prophets.
Imo, anyone else who claims that God spoke to them is delusional.
Anyone can imagine God speaks to them.

I have no way to know which of you is right. How do I tell who is right and who is wrong?

 

[Trailblazer]

I have no way to know which of you is right. How do I tell who is right and who is wrong?

You can read about what I am claiming and see if it makes sense to you.
Why God only speaks through His Chosen Messengers, is explained in this book:
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh

After reading and understanding, then you can choose for yourself what makes more sense to you.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

John 14

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:2 Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for those who would be going to heaven.

John 14:3 "I will come again" does not refer to Jesus coming back to Earth again. We know that because Jesus said:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

"I will come again" refers to the Second Coming of Christ, the return of the Christ Spirit with a new name.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Did you read the last line? The new Jerusalem comes down OUT OF HEAVEN. Wht would it come out of heaven if people are going to heAVEN. tHE NEW jERUSALEM WIL BE THE NEW HOME FOR PEOPLE on earth. nO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN.

 

[Trailblazer]

Did you read the last line? The new Jerusalem comes down OUT OF HEAVEN. Wht would it come out of heaven if people are going to heAVEN. tHE NEW jERUSALEM WIL BE THE NEW HOME FOR PEOPLE on earth. nO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN.

new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

The Law of God came down from the heaven of the Will of God through the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, and as a result the New Jerusalem (Kingdom of God) will be established on earth.. People who are still alive on Earth will live in the New Jerusalem, but after people die they will go to the spiritual world, or heaven.

“The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Meditate upon this, O ye beloved of God, and let your ears be attentive unto His Word, so that ye may, by His grace and mercy, drink your fill from the crystal waters of constancy, and become as steadfast and immovable as the mountain in His Cause.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 12-13

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If the god character's idea of good and evil is as screwed up as it appears to be, far better the human vision of it.

I am wondering what anyone finds ' screwed up ' about the Golden Rule or Jesus' new commandment at John 13:34-35

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Did you read the last line? The new Jerusalem comes down OUT OF HEAVEN. Wht would it come out of heaven if people are going to heAVEN. tHE NEW jERUSALEM WIL BE THE NEW HOME FOR PEOPLE on earth. nO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN.

As Old Jerusalem was the seat of government in ancient Israel, so New heavenly Jerusalem will be a seat of government.
So, it is the governmental rule ( aka God's kingdom of 'thy kingdom come' ) with Christ as heavenly King.
Thus, it ' comes down ' in the same way 'God from his lofty throne' gives attention to Earth from Heaven.
God turned His attention to Earth at the time of Micah 1:2-3.
God did Not literally come down but applied His power Micah 3:8.
What was ' conformable to Jesus' death ' was his resurrection to the spirit realm - Philippians 3:10-11.
So, those called to heaven as co-rulers - Revelation 20:6; 2:20; 5:9-10 - will be with Christ in Heaven.
Just as Christ now governs the Christian congregation from Heaven without a visible presence on Earth.
So, during the 1,000-year reign of Christ in the heavens attention will be directed to Earth.
King David did Not ascend (Acts 2:34) but David will have an earthly visible presence - Isaiah 32; Ezekiel 34:24.
This means there will be earthly representatives of God's heavenly kingdom.
The Kings and Priests will be in Heaven, whereas people like King David will be like a Prince on Earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Actually Jesus said he is coming back to earth. Nothing about anyone joining him in heaven.

I think we can all agree about Jesus saying he'd be back.....
I find Jesus does Not come back alone according to Revelation 19:14.
There are others with Jesus ( they who are with Jesus are: called and chosen, and faithful.- ( Revelation 2:10 )
Remember: there are two (2) types of resurrections spoken about at 1 Corinthians 15:40; 1 Corinthians 15:48
Angels have No resurrection, so resurrection applies to human kind.
'Little flock' (Luke 12:32) called to Heaven, and the ' other sheep ' (Matthew 25:37) of John 10:16 to Earth.
Those ' other sheep ' are the ' great crowd ' on Earth of Revelation 7:14,9.
Whereas the ' little flock ' are in the category of John 14:2; John 14:23.
In God's house (Heaven) there are many dwellings, and there are those who ' come to Him (God)' in Heaven.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The heroic and pious. Though heaven could be anything from Elysium to Tir na Nog and so on.

I would like to add the word ' faithful ' to heroic and pious (righteous ones) as per Revelation 2:10.
Heaven is the heavenly home or abode of the God of the Bible as per 1 Kings 8:39,49.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am wondering what anyone finds ' screwed up ' about the Golden Rule or Jesus' new commandment at John 13:34-35

Looks good to me.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I think we can all agree about Jesus saying he'd be back.....
I find Jesus does Not come back alone according to Revelation 19:14.
There are others with Jesus ( they who are with Jesus are: called and chosen, and faithful.- ( Revelation 2:10 )
Remember: there are two (2) types of resurrections spoken about at 1 Corinthians 15:40; 1 Corinthians 15:48
Angels have No resurrection, so resurrection applies to human kind.
'Little flock' (Luke 12:32) called to Heaven, and the ' other sheep ' (Matthew 25:37) of John 10:16 to Earth.
Those ' other sheep ' are the ' great crowd ' on Earth of Revelation 7:14,9.
Whereas the ' little flock ' are in the category of John 14:2; John 14:23.
In God's house (Heaven) there are many dwellings, and there are those who ' come to Him (God)' in Heaven.

Luke 12:32 does NOT say the kingdom is in heaven. They will be given the kingdom ON EARTH.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

As Old Jerusalem was the seat of government in ancient Israel, so New heavenly Jerusalem will be a seat of government.
So, it is the governmental rule ( aka God's kingdom of 'thy kingdom come' ) with Christ as heavenly King.
Thus, it ' comes down ' in the same way 'God from his lofty throne' gives attention to Earth from Heaven.
God turned His attention to Earth at the time of Micah 1:2-3.
God did Not literally come down but applied His power Micah 3:8.
What was ' conformable to Jesus' death ' was his resurrection to the spirit realm - Philippians 3:10-11.
So, those called to heaven as co-rulers - Revelation 20:6; 2:20; 5:9-10 - will be with Christ in Heaven.
Just as Christ now governs the Christian congregation from Heaven without a visible presence on Earth.
So, during the 1,000-year reign of Christ in the heavens attention will be directed to Earth.
King David did Not ascend (Acts 2:34) but David will have an earthly visible presence - Isaiah 32; Ezekiel 34:24.
This means there will be earthly representatives of God's heavenly kingdom.
The Kings and Priests will be in Heaven, whereas people like King David will be like a Prince on Earth.

King David was one of the most faithful followers of God's plan who ever lived. If he did not ascend to heaven, what chance does any other person have?

 

[Trailblazer]

Luke 12:32 does NOT say the kingdom is in heaven. They will be given the kingdom ON EARTH.

The kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven...

Matthew 6:9-13 - "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

 

[Trailblazer]

King David was one of the most faithful followers of God's plan who ever lived. If he did not ascend to heaven, what chance does any other person have?

Why do you believe everything that is written in the Bible?
Do you realize there is more than one interpretation of any verse?

 

[Bird123]

I have no way to know which of you is right. How do I tell who is right and who is wrong?

Why would anyone think God needs a messenger? Mankind loves to control. They use God's name to do it. The Real God does not want to intimidate your choices. This one of the reasons God isn't speaking to everyone. Lessons are best learning within free choice. God places knowledge all around waiting to be Discovered.

OK, your question is: Who do you Believe? My answer: Don't believe either one of us. You are capable of Discovering the answer yourself.

OK, this is the direction and the result. In my younger day, I realized so much of religion did not add up. I simply wanted to Discover the Real Truth and not a bunch of beliefs. I set out on a journey to Discovery with an open mind. Even if I discovered That God did not exist, I would know the truth.

I established a base that could not be countered. That base was that everything about God, this world, it's people, and all I saw must add up completely. Math! It wasn't going to be does this feel right.

In this time-based causal universe, God's actions can be seen. When you study then understand God and these actions, you start to understand what it is really all about.

I have spent many years putting the puzzle together and there is always more to learn. Is it really so far fetched to think that God watching me struggling to Discover the Real Truth might not stop by just to confirm much of what I Discovered? I had no help or anyone pointing my way.

You are right. People see what they want to see. For a real conversation to go on, it can not be one sided. How many do you think would have a frame of reference based on what God is actually doing? Without an knowledge, what are you going to talk about?

IQ exists far beyond mankind. We are but mere ants. Hold onto your hat with a true conversation with God. God works on multiple levels with multiple views. It took more than a week to realize everything that was said and yet how much did I miss? I think most would just be confused with a true conversation with God. That's why it isn't happening to everyone.

Someone asked me what was God's name. This was the wonderful part. There are no names. Everybody already knows who everyone is. In reality, everyone already knows God even if the do not know they know. Kiddies are not going to have any problem when it's time to die and move on.

There you have it. I do not want anyone to value Beliefs over Real Truth. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. Nothing is hidden. All one needs to do is pick a direction and study. It's all waiting to be Discovered.

 

[JJ50]

The real 'truth' could well be that no god actually exists.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Luke 12:32 does NOT say the kingdom is in heaven. They will be given the kingdom ON EARTH.

People like King David (Ezekiel 34:24; Isaiah 32:1;Psalms 45:16) will be given the kingdom ON EARTH as being a prince.
The 'kings and priests' (Revelation 5:9-10; 20:6) are IN HEAVEN.
Those kings and priests are like the people of Luke 22:28-30; Luke 12:32; Revelation 2:10.
David, and those of John 3:13, will be ON EARTH.
ALL families of EARTH will be blessed, ALL nations of EARTH will be blessed (Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 )
Blessed with heavenly benefits coming from HEAVEN down to EARTH - Revelation 22:1-2.
Please notice in verse one where these benefit flow from _______________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The real 'truth' could well be that no god actually exists.

I find since 'most people want peace' then logically there should be more Peace on Earth.
That ' truth ' alone gives us a clue that something is wrong.
So, that ' real truth ' points to the Bible as being the 'real' source of 'real' truth.
We are at the ' final phase ' about telling the world about the good news of God's kingdom of Matthew 24:14.
That means we are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security...." but that will be a fake cry duping people by a facade of peace.
With propaganda, people will be fooled into thinking what is happening is ' real '.
The world will be caught up in hopeful thinking it's 'real'.
However, True or Real "Peace and Security" is only going to come by the action found at Daniel 2:44.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Do you realize there is more than one interpretation of any verse?

Since the Bible teaches more than one witness ( Bible writer ) is required - Matthew 18:16
Then, any one verse would have to harmonize with other Bible writers.
So, through the process elimination we can see the internal harmony among the many Bible writers.
Thus, by subject or topic arrangement we can find a complete picture of what the Bible really teaches.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven...
Matthew 6:9-13 - "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

Yes, I agree that 'God's will' (God's purpose) will be done on earth as it is being done in heaven.
For in heaven there is No war, No crime, No violence, No sickness, No death in heaven.
So, we are praying for those wonderful heavenly conditions to come to earth.
Revelation 22:1-2 lets us know where such heavenly conditions exist and come from to earth __________