Who wrote the Gospels?

[jonathan180iq]

Well, I mean I'd say people were trying to decide what proper canon was from the very beginning - but that doesn't lend any authority to it, hence why Marcion's Canon was revised... (Marcion didn't accept Matthew and John and thought Luke was the only decent gospel.)

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Well, I mean I'd say people were trying to decide what proper canon was from the very beginning

Aside from trivial nuances (e.g., Paul's letters weren't, at least at the start, something anybody considered to be canonical), I'd agree. But then, I'm not Christian, so I'm biased here.

but that doesn't lend any authority to it

That depends upon the type of authority one seeks. From an historical point of view, the synoptics, John, and possibly Thomas are much more "authoritative" than other "gospels". From a religious standpoint, well...I'm not really qualified to render a verdict here.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Aside from trivial nuances (e.g., Paul's letters weren't, at least at the start, something anybody considered to be canonical), I'd agree. But then, I'm not Christian, so I'm biased here.




That depends upon the type of authority one seeks. From an historical point of view, the synoptics, John, and possibly Thomas are much more "authoritative" than other "gospels". From a religious standpoint, well...I'm not really qualified to render a verdict here.

I believe that's the whole point that those who improperly cited 325 as the creation date of the Bible were trying to make.

Facts were off, but point was sound.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I believe that's the whole point that those who improperly cited 325 as the creation date of the Bible were trying to make.

Who makes this claim?

 

[jonathan180iq]

The two or three guys who were trying to say the Bible was compiled at the council of Nicea.

EDIT: Columbus and Psychoslice

It gets repeated on this forum quite a bit.

 

[columbus]

The two or three guys who were trying to say the Bible was compiled at the council of Nicea.

EDIT: Columbus and Psychoslice

It gets repeated on this forum quite a bit.

Sorry I was unclear. What I meant was more like "Official" christian beliefs were decided at Nicea, which set the stage for the elimination of texts that didn't support that view. Not that the canon itself was determined there. But the canon, if there even was one, would have been very different if those guys had decided differently about the nature of Jesus. Because there was a mountain of other stuff that was declared heretical and outlawed.

Tom

 

[jonathan180iq]

Sorry I was unclear. What I meant was more like "Official" christian beliefs were decided at Nicea, which set the stage for the elimination of texts that didn't support that view. Not that the canon itself was determined there. But the canon, if there even was one, would have been very different if those guys had decided differently about the nature of Jesus. Because there was a mountain of other stuff that was declared heretical and outlawed.

Tom

Oh, absolutely.

I find it fascinating how reality is manipulated.
A different set of debates 1700 years ago and our world would be completely different.

 

[columbus]

Oh, absolutely.

I find it fascinating how reality is manipulated.
A different set of debates 1700 years ago and our world would be completely different.

Really. Those bishops had more influence over Christianity than Jesus.
:yes:
Tom

 

[outhouse]

Really. Those bishops had more influence over Christianity than Jesus.
:yes:
Tom

Jesus had none, other then being martyred after Passover.


We don't have a clue how many of the parables attributed to him, are not just typical Aramaic Galilean Jewish parables, or even John The Baptist parables.


It would be hilarious if we found out almost everything attributed to Jesus started with John, and Jesus was juts teaching what John had taught him.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Sorry I was unclear. What I meant was more like "Official" christian beliefs were decided at Nicea

They weren't. Not only did Arianism continue to grow, but even form of the Nicene Creed we have is due to later Christian thought/councils.

which set the stage for the elimination of texts that didn't support that view.

Which Arian texts were eliminated and what evidence exists that this council eliminated any other texts?

But the canon, if there even was one, would have been very different if those guys had decided differently about the nature of Jesus.

The controversy addressed at the council was in no small part due to the ways in which Jesus' nature was unclear in the canonical gospels and Paul's letters. It was primarily a council concerning an interpretation given that the "canonical gospels" were "canonical".

Because there was a mountain of other stuff that was declared heretical and outlawed.

When, what, and how is this related to Nicaea?

 

[roger1440]

The Gospels were written by devout, educated, articulate, creative, incentive, Jews. After the smoke had cleared from the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD they had a dire question that needed to be answered to preserve Judaism. “Now what do we do?” They have done what they have always done. They had searched the scriptures for the answer.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

do We know who are these people?

I'll tellyouthese
These carried the words of Christ to the people and preached in the name of Christ and did not use swords and those aren't like the Caliphs who took up swords and there was blood everywhere
I wish I couldhavemadeyouseeinthese

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Books ofthe Bible
1. Christians believe that the Bible was written four disciples of Christ
Three of them were with Christ from the beginning of his presence and is three years
As the pupil is becoming Apostles of Christ written by what he heard from other messengers
Then the Gospel is written acts and sayings of Jesus
Ofthose who livedwith him
And here is the word of Allaah Thabit
Because Jesus is the word of God
Therefore, Christianity is simple in its teachings are deep in content
And messages are inspired by the words of Christ
A notation to preach first
There areseveral studiesof the Gospel
In the history of writing and the first written language
Some say he wrote during the 30 years after Christ's resurrection and the other says within 100 years
But this doesn't affect much in the essence of the Christian faith
This Board does not recognize the Christian myth of archives
Because the human mind is Al-lawh Al-mahfooz
Not from Christians who say that descended from heaven these myths lano'mn where
We have no law
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The Gospelindepthcontentneat.
And his teachings

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Christianitydoes not knowthe piousinsources
Thisis the Christsays
I didnotbreakthe lawcameevenfulfilled the law
Jesusfulfilled the lawinwordsof love
Because Jewish law firm
Andthe ten commandments
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The commandments of fixed valid
For I worship God Giri
This is the first and greatest commandment in Judaism and Christianity
But Jesus said love near and near here is human
Therefore we see hearts States dominated by a vibrant Christian culture in love
They differ from societies that embrace Islam to recognize this commandment of God

 

[RAYYAN]

I'll tellyouthese
These carried the words of Christ to the people and preached in the name of Christ and did not use swords and those aren't like the Caliphs who took up swords and there was blood everywhere
I wish I couldhavemadeyouseeinthese

 

[RAYYAN]

I'll tellyouthese
These carried the words of Christ to the people and preached in the name of Christ and did not use swords and those aren't like the Caliphs who took up swords and there was blood everywhere
I wish I couldhavemadeyouseeinthese

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