Why a male supreme God?

[Thanda]

I have two very simple reasons why I think God is Male.

Firstly, Jesus was a man and I believe he is Jehovah.

Secondly, Jesus said God is his Father - and that means God is male too.

Note that I say male, I do not say that he is a man.

 

[psychoslice]

I have two very simple reasons why I think God is Male.

Firstly, Jesus was a man and I believe he is Jehovah.

Secondly, Jesus send God is his Father - and that means God is male too.

Note that I say male, I do not say that he is a man.

Yes but that doesn't mean they are male like us, I mean with a penis, so if they don't have a penis, what are they /.

 

[Bunyip]

I have two very simple reasons why I think God is Male.

Firstly, Jesus was a man and I believe he is Jehovah.

Secondly, Jesus send God is his Father - and that means God is male too.

Note that I say male, I do not say that he is a man.

Yeah I think that the god of Abraham is decidedly male. It is as you say the Father.

 

[Sihopopa]

This thread presents a great many presumptions under the guise of faith, expectation, hope, belief, which really isn't so surprising due to the mountain of misunderstanding that has forever been accepted and worshipped as under (by any name) 'god'. Religion really has a great deal for which to answer.

Firstly; 'God' (by any name) is NOT a formed (physical) being, similar to a man, a cow, an elephant. Therefore he simply doesn't have any requirement pertaining to gender, as he will never need to find a Mrs. God for reproductive purposes - as we fallaciously understand such things.

Second; Any person's mental conceptualisation of 'god' (by any name) in a male form entirely misses the most fundamental point of all; that he is spiritual, RATHER THAN physical, and therefore - refer to above.

Third; This creation (the physical we inhabit) is entirely about an antithetical dichotomy; in other words - a duality; good vs. bad, creation vs. destruction, life and death, positive and negative, north and south. Such is the antithetical physical representation that emerges from the spiritual reality - being male and female, but again - NOT in the sexual manner we attribute to such things. So while both sides of this antithetical reality drives the spiritual realm, yet they emerge (become evident) into the physical.

Fourth; The creative force (CREATOR) then, is the male aspect of the spiritual realm, while the opposing aspect emerges from the female. The antithetical nature of this relationship, by the way, is a direct result of our choice - proven by how folk continually relate to 'god' (by any name) by some male form.

So even though there surely are male and female aspects to the spiritual realm, both of which emerge (as above) into the physical, yet neither suggest nor have need of sexuality, so neither have gender (as per our attribution), but rather present as this antithetical spiritual reality that underpins the entirety of the physical realm.

 

[Bunyip]

This thread presents a great many presumptions under the guise of faith, expectation, hope, belief, which really isn't so surprising due to the mountain of misunderstanding that has forever been accepted and worshipped as under (by any name) 'god'. Religion really has a great deal for which to answer.

Firstly; 'God' (by any name) is NOT a formed (physical) being, similar to a man, a cow, an elephant. Therefore he simply doesn't have any requirement pertaining to gender, as he will never need to find a Mrs. God for reproductive purposes - as we fallaciously understand such things.

Second; Any person's mental conceptualisation of 'god' (by any name) in a male form entirely misses the most fundamental point of all; that he is spiritual, RATHER THAN physical, and therefore - refer to above.

Third; This creation (the physical we inhabit) is entirely about an antithetical dichotomy; in other words - a duality; good vs. bad, creation vs. destruction, life and death, positive and negative, north and south. Such is the antithetical physical representation that emerges from the spiritual reality - being male and female, but again - NOT in the sexual manner we attribute to such things. So while both sides of this antithetical reality drives the spiritual realm, yet they emerge (become evident) into the physical.

Fourth; The creative force (CREATOR) then, is the male aspect of the spiritual realm, while the opposing aspect emerges from the female. The antithetical nature of this relationship, by the way, is a direct result of our choice - proven by how folk continually relate to 'god' (by any name) by some male form.

So even though there surely are male and female aspects to the spiritual realm, both of which emerge (as above) into the physical, yet neither suggest nor have need of sexuality, so neither have gender (as per our attribution), but rather present as this antithetical spiritual reality that underpins the entirety of the physical realm.

What you are touching on is what was revolutionary about the Abrahamic tradition - it placed a male in the role of the creator. Typically females were associated with creation.

 

[Thanda]

Yes but that doesn't mean they are male like us, I mean with a penis, so if they don't have a penis, what are they /.

I must confess I have never actually seen God and those prophets who are recorded in the Bible as having seen him don't really describe what he looks like under his clothes (I'm not entirely certain God even showed them what is under his clothes)

But we have a few clues about what the Abrahamic God looks is like in physical form (or at the very least how he chooses to manifest himself to us)

1. In Exodus 33 we are told that Moses saw God face to face. So God has a face.

2. In Exodus 31 we are told that God wrote on the tablets of stone with his finger - so he apparently has arms and hands fingers (I'm not sure how many )

3. In Daniel 10:5-6 "We have the following description: "

5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude."​

From here we see that heavenly beings have even have a skin colour (they are brown).

4. And of course, lastly but most importantly we have the following in genesis chapter 1:

26 ¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.​

So clearly the Abrahamic God has a body otherwise it would have been quite bizarre for him speak of creating man (humans) in his own image and likeness.

So God is definitely a humanoid with a physical body (one that can be seen and touched). But is he a male?
Most would answer that he is neither a male nor a female but what if, instead, he is a male and a female? What if there is both a Father in Heaven and a Mother in Heaven? One Christian faith that believes this is the Latter-Days saints (Mormons). I am a Mormon and I believe that we have two Heavenly Parents.

 

[Deadtroopers]

No. Separate the section (copy and paste? or quote?) you are referring to and restate your comment so I know why the two relate and why there is so much negativity in your statements.

Oh, good grief. I bolded and underlined the relevant bits. I assume when Constantine took over and made Christianity the government's main faith and since he was in power, he made "God" a He. Thru out the Gospels Jesus refers to God as his father; as a "he". As one rabbi explained it to me, G-d has no body, thru out Genesis there are references to God having a body and to the parts of that body. Jacob is renamed Israel ("Triumphant over God") after beating Yahweh in a wrestling bout: Genesis 32:28 and 35:10. You cannot wrestle without a body.
Where do you get the idea I am being negative or rude?

 

[psychoslice]

I must confess I have never actually seen God and those prophets who are recorded in the Bible as having seen him don't really describe what he looks like under his clothes (I'm not entirely certain God even showed them what is under his clothes)

But we have a few clues about what the Abrahamic God looks is like in physical form (or at the very least how he chooses to manifest himself to us)

1. In Exodus 33 we are told that Moses saw God face to face. So God has a face.

2. In Exodus 31 we are told that God wrote on the tablets of stone with his finger - so he apparently has arms and hands fingers (I'm not sure how many )

3. In Daniel 10:5-6 "We have the following description: "

5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude."​

From here we see that heavenly beings have even have a skin colour (they are brown).

4. And of course, lastly but most importantly we have the following in genesis chapter 1:

26 ¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.​

So clearly the Abrahamic God has a body otherwise it would have been quite bizarre for him speak of creating man (humans) in his own image and likeness.

So God is definitely a humanoid with a physical body (one that can be seen and touched). But is he a male?
Most would answer that he is neither a male nor a female but what if, instead, he is a male and a female? What if there is both a Father in Heaven and a Mother in Heaven? One Christian faith that believes this is the Latter-Days saints (Mormons). I am a Mormon and I believe that we have two Heavenly Parents.

Na, that's all metaphors, hands and everything, those who wrote the scriptures couldn't imagine god any other way than themselves.

 

[Thanda]

Na, that's all metaphors, hands and everything, those who wrote the scriptures couldn't imagine god any other way than themselves.

Except they weren't imagining God. They saw him! Exodus 33:11 - And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now tell me, how does a man speak to his friend? Does the one friend imagine the other as being there and then talk to this imagined friend? Of course not, a man speaks to his friend by going up to him physically and talking to him in his presence.

And what would the point have been of that scripture I've just quoted if Moses did not actually see God but merely imagined him and imagined that he spoke to him? Moses would be no more special than the rest of us who have all imagined and dreamed what we think God looks like and what we think he wants us to do.

The role of a prophet is to be a witness for God. He must know there is a God and he can only know if he has actually seen him. That's why the calling of many prophets in the Bible begins with their seeing God first so that they can testify. This includes the new testament where Paul speaks to Jesus on the road to Damascus

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Except they weren't imagining God. They saw him! Exodus 33:11 - And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now tell me, how does a man speak to his friend? Does the one friend imagine the other as being there and then talk to this imagined friend? Of course not, a man speaks to his friend by going up to him physically and talking to him in his presence.

And what would the point have been of that scripture I've just quoted if Moses did not actually see God but merely imagined him and imagined that he spoke to him? Moses would be no more special than the rest of us who have all imagined and dreamed what we think God looks like and what we think he wants us to do.

The role of a prophet is to be a witness for God. He must know there is a God and he can only know if he has actually seen him. That's why the calling of many prophets in the Bible begins with their seeing God first so that they can testify. This includes the new testament where Paul speaks to Jesus on the road to Damascus

You're confusing me. You say that God is beyond gender, but then you talk about how Moses literally saw God and God is apparently a male. Then you go on about dualities in the physical and spiritual worlds.

Which is it? Is God a male or is it just symbolism?

 

[Thanda]

You're confusing me. You say that God is beyond gender, but then you talk about how Moses literally saw God and God is apparently a male. Then you go on about dualities in the physical and spiritual worlds.

Which is it? Is God a male or is it just symbolism?

I knew someone would get confused . I specifically stated in my first comment that I believe that God is male. In the same comment I said that I cannot say that he is a man. Actually I could say it but there is a reason why I prefer not to say it. When we think of men we think of many attributes some of which are vile and base like lustfulness, anger issues, oppression and abuse. In Numbers 23:19 we read "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent...". In here we learn while God created us in His image (we look like him) it does not mean that we are like him (on the inside). That is why he commands us to repent and "Be Holy even as He is Holy". So God is male but he is not a man in the sense that he is not subject to the frailties and imperfections of men (or women).

In another comment I said that I believe that God is both a male and a female - and this is where it gets complicated. While I believe God is positively a male I also believe he is not alone. I believe he has a Son (Jesus/Jehovah) and that he also has a wife: Heavenly Mother. Note carefully what is written in the Genesis chapter one. God says let us create man in our image. There are obviously other people with him. And he says he will create them male and female in Our image or "We will make them to look like we do, male and female, just like us".

As another commentator noted, the bible speaks of Seth who was the son of Adam. Yet we know that he was not just the son of Adam but the son of Adam and Eve.

And so likewise Jesus, and us, are the sons and daughters of God. But not of the Father only but also of the Mother.

 

[Sihopopa]

Except they weren't imagining God. They saw him!

Many have 'seen' illusionists such as Dynamo walk on water, float on air, disappear and instantly appear atop of a distant building, make trains disappear, cut a woman in half etc., so one thing we really should have learned by now, is our eyes can very easily deceive us.

Exodus 33:11 - And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Now tell me, how does a man speak to his friend? Does the one friend imagine the other as being there and then talk to this imagined friend? Of course not, a man speaks to his friend by going up to him physically

Except 'God' isn't physical.

and talking to him in his presence.

Another thing we really should have learned, is a man can speaketh to his friend without actually being next to him. One can be in the presence of 'God' anywhere and everywhere and anytime, for again - 'God' Isn't physical, but spiritual.

And what would the point have been of that scripture I've just quoted if Moses did not actually see God but merely imagined him and imagined that he spoke to him? Moses would be no more special than the rest of us who have all imagined and dreamed what we think God looks like and what we think he wants us to do.

LOL your words catch you out. That Moses actually SAW 'God', is because the non-physical nature of 'God' became clear to him - so he became aware; that is he KNEW he didn't actually need to see a physical being as such. But at the same time, he was also made aware that every thing he looked at - everywhere, WAS the visible (physical) representation of the invisible (non-physical) CREATOR.

The role of a prophet is to be a witness for God. He must know there is a God and he can only know if he has actually seen him.

Incorrect!

That's why the calling of many prophets in the Bible begins with their seeing God first so that they can testify. This includes the new testament where Paul speaks to Jesus on the road to Damascus

Hey, if you still choose to follow in the ridiculous, fallacious footsteps set down for you by pagans, nothing is going to convince you.

 

[Sihopopa]

And so likewise Jesus, and us, are the sons and daughters of God. But not of the Father only but also of the Mother.

So I guess your Father god and his wife Mother god, indulged in a little heavenly coitus one night, with you after nine months, being the resulting son god, right?

 

[Thanda]

So I guess your Father god and his wife Mother god, indulged in a little heavenly coitus one night, with you after nine months, being the resulting son god, right?

I don't know. But so what if they did? Would it make them somehow inferior?

 

[Sihopopa]

What you are touching on is what was revolutionary about the Abrahamic tradition - it placed a male in the role of the creator. Typically females were associated with creation.

But again; it wasn't at all about attributing any gender to creation - male nor female.

Rather it was and remains entirely about the duality; the antithetical nature of our existence, indeed of all reality.

It might have presented a little better as the north/south polarities of a compass or magnet, but this wouldn't have translated so easily to a knowing Creator and an Intelligent result - being the creation; ie. man (inclusive of the female half).

So how would you explain the particulars of existence in an allegorical and inclusive manner that transcends time and levels of understanding?

 

[Sihopopa]

I don't know. But so what if they did? Would it make them somehow inferior?

Inferior??? Is that how you see your two gods? To what are they inferior?

And if so, what does all that mean for you - their offspring? I mean - should we now bow down and worship you - complete with your inferiority complex and all?

 

[Thanda]

Many have 'seen' illusionists such as Dynamo walk on water, float on air, disappear and instantly appear atop of a distant building, make trains disappear, cut a woman in half etc., so one thing we really should have learned by now, is our eyes can very easily deceive us.

Except 'God' isn't physical.

Another thing we really should have learned, is a man can speaketh to his friend without actually being next to him. One can be in the presence of 'God' anywhere and everywhere and anytime, for again - 'God' Isn't physical, but spiritual.

LOL your words catch you out. That Moses actually SAW 'God', is because the non-physical nature of 'God' became clear to him - so he became aware; that is he KNEW he didn't actually need to see a physical being as such. But at the same time, he was also made aware that every thing he looked at - everywhere, WAS the visible (physical) representation of the invisible (non-physical) CREATOR.

Incorrect!

Hey, if you still choose to follow in the ridiculous, fallacious footsteps set down for you by pagans, nothing is going to convince you.

Your belief that God is not physical is yours to have. But I speak to you of the Abrahamic God of the Bible. So if you can start Quoting scriptures that can disprove what I proved then we can have a proper discussion. Simply asserting that God isn't physical, that Moses saw something that doesn't exist is unhelpful.

And let us be clear here, God is either a physical entity or he doesn't exist. So you can call him a Spirit or a Force but the fact remains that so long as that Spirit or Force is not physical then it is not real but is just a thought or imagination as the atheists assert.

Remember there are all kinds of particles in the universe (elementary particles). Light for example, is made up of photon particles so even light is physical. Again, I repeat, if something is not physical then it does NOT exist.

 

[Thanda]

Inferior??? Is that how you see your two gods? To what are they inferior?

And if so, what does all that mean for you - their offspring? I mean - should we now bow down and worship you - complete with your inferiority complex and all?

How did you conclude that I see God as inferior? I merely asked you if, in your opinion, God having sex would make him in anyway inferior.

 

[Sihopopa]

Your belief that God is not physical is yours to have. But I speak to you of the Abrahamic God of the Bible. So if you can start Quoting scriptures that can disprove what I proved then we can have a proper discussion. Simply asserting that God isn't physical, that Moses saw something that doesn't exist is unhelpful.

Right there is you first error. Assuming that the Spiritual REALITY doesn't exist simply because it has no physicality to it, will lead you up the wrong garden path - every time.

Truly now, the spiritual realm IS THE REALITY, but the physical representation of this invisible realm, is NOT REALITY at all. Rather it is all a great big ILLUSION unto our perception, and a provable one at that. This is why a great man, 2000 years ago referring to a massive building at which others around him marvelled (as 'real'), said will be torn down in just three days; with not one stone left standing upon another. They naturally became very angry with him for suggesting this, but he was soon enough proven right, for he understood the difference between REALITY and ILLUSION, whilst they did not.

And let us be clear here, God is either a physical entity or he doesn't exist. So you can call him a Spirit or a Force but the fact remains that so long as that Spirit or Force is not physical then it is not real but is just a thought or imagination as the atheists assert.

WRONG! Haven't you heard? Why do you not understand when we have it clearly stated in writing;

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh (physical) profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Remember there are all kinds of particles in the universe (elementary particles). Light for example, is made up of photon particles so even light is physical. Again, I repeat, if something is not physical then it does NOT exist.

Again you are sadly mistaken on so many levels, for light is BOTH particle and wave - which by the way, has no physicality whatsoever - so is not only SPIRITUAL, but indeed is the force that moves the particles!

A conundrum you say? Only to those who lack respect for, and awareness of the REALITY of existence - that surely is the spiritual realm.

 

[Sihopopa]

How did you conclude that I see God as inferior? I merely asked you if, in your opinion, God having sex would make him in anyway inferior.

The suggestion of inferiority came from - YOU! I have no opinion of 'God' having sex, for unless you are an ancient Greek pagan worshipping Zeus and Hera, such a suggestion is plainly ludicrous. You may as well ask what my opinion would be of finding your elephant taking a bath in my light bulb. Would that make your elephant inferior?

You may if you like, but I simply don't play mindless games with anyone, especially those who is so confused.