Why Abrahamic faiths struggle to coexist.

[Badran]

i am of the opinion that those who take it to the extreme are a bit over zealous and legalistic...and the intent becomes self serving.

I understand. To me, the day people fully apply the same standards they apply to themselves to others, is the day most of the world's problems are solved.

i am also of the opinion that within every human being, there is an element of self dignity and integrity that can only be satisfied with being as honest as one can be...
i of course go back and forth with being pessimist or an optimist in regards to how people treat each other, but the older i get the more i think the human drive always desires for the good...and good is subjective

I'll admit when it comes to the possibility of people reaching a certain level of goodness i guess, including myself, i'm more pessimistic. But i do have an amount of hope.

 

[waitasec]

I understand. To me, the day people fully apply the same standards they apply to themselves to others, is the day most of the world's problems are solved.

here's a thought,
maybe most people don't know how to love themselves

I'll admit when it comes to the possibility of people reaching a certain level of goodness i guess, including myself, i'm more pessimistic. But i do have an amount of hope.

what other option is there...

 

[BruceDLimber]

Ah... so not "incomplete," merely obsolete and superceded. That's much better.

There's this new in thing called actually READING what someone says to you!

To repeat the point:

B>Each was COMPLETE and GOOD FOR ITS AGE.

So sorry if this is a difficult concept.

Each religion fits the Age in which it is revealed, which in no way prevents further Revelation later on as humanity gradually evolves and progresses.

Or do you believe telling two-year-olds they can't cross the street is objectionable because it will one day be "obsolete and superceded?"

Very simply, you can't have it both ways.

Bruce

 

[James Humphreys]

They are all three very different religions all claiming to be the one of God.

All of them have different messengers, prophets, yet they have similar teachings. All teach some type of common courtesy as long as others teachings don’t go against their own. It started with Judaism, went to Christianity, and then Islam. Islam is basically Christianity, with another prophet claiming to be the last and final prophet. However, many Christians would argue that Jesus was the last and final prophet, because his Crucifixion marked the end of his ministry. All three religions mention the spread of false doctrine through false prophets. Meaning those prophets don’t follow an Abrahamic faith, yet claim to be a part of it.

Pagans use to incorporate other beliefs systems into their systems of beliefs. This also seems to be a common trend amongst Abrahamic faiths. Making Abrahamic fates seem as if it is built upon subsets. Where one ends another supposedly begins. Then cultural influences seem to get tied into them.

How do all of these religions go from an almighty, creator God, to one being based on decent through messengers and prophets without losing sight of an almighty, creator God? Why does Culture seem to cause more problems for religion than it does them good? Why would culture matter to someone else that isn’t a part of that culture? Why should it?

In the case of the struggle between Islam and Judaism, I think the spiritual root is in the struggle and resentment between the two wives of Abraham, Hagar and Sarah. Their respective sons Ishmael and Isaac and their descendants inherited and carried on that struggle, over the central question of which one God prefers and is blessing.

 

[Flankerl]

How do all of these religions go from an almighty, creator God, to one being based on decent through messengers and prophets without losing sight of an almighty, creator God? Why does Culture seem to cause more problems for religion than it does them good? Why would culture matter to someone else that isn’t a part of that culture? Why should it?

First of all its not special to be part of a so called "Abrahamic Religion". Anyone can make himself/herself an own one. Just claim you saw some angel, last true prophet, copy parts of the TaNaKh, Bible, Koran, etc. invent some stuff and you are good to go.


The overall problem with the struggle to coexist is that some "Abrahamic Religions" claim to be "the only real "Abrahamic Religion"". That obviously is a rather aggressive position which results in conflicts.



Thats it.

 

[Oneatatime]

They are all three very different religions all claiming to be the one of God.

All of them have different messengers, prophets, yet they have similar teachings. All teach some type of common courtesy as long as others teachings don’t go against their own. It started with Judaism, went to Christianity, and then Islam. Islam is basically Christianity, with another prophet claiming to be the last and final prophet. However, many Christians would argue that Jesus was the last and final prophet, because his Crucifixion marked the end of his ministry. All three religions mention the spread of false doctrine through false prophets. Meaning those prophets don’t follow an Abrahamic faith, yet claim to be a part of it.

Pagans use to incorporate other beliefs systems into their systems of beliefs. This also seems to be a common trend amongst Abrahamic faiths. Making Abrahamic fates seem as if it is built upon subsets. Where one ends another supposedly begins. Then cultural influences seem to get tied into them.

How do all of these religions go from an almighty, creator God, to one being based on decent through messengers and prophets without losing sight of an almighty, creator God? Why does Culture seem to cause more problems for religion than it does them good? Why would culture matter to someone else that isn’t a part of that culture? Why should it?

They treat others with common courtesy as long as other peoples beliefs don't oppose their own? Surely this is the answer to your question of why these religions are intolerant of others and each other. Its not tolerance if you are unwilling to tolerate others expressing a different view to the one you hold, especially when the common result during periods when religion has held sway the typical response was one of brutal violence and suppression.

 

[sojourner]

some "Abrahamic Religions" claim to be "the only real "Abrahamic Religion"".

Xy doesn't do that -- or it shouldn't if it is true to what it is...

 

[waitasec]

Xy doesn't do that -- or it shouldn't if it is true to what it is...

do you think Xy would be tolerant of animal sacrifices?
just a hypothetical...

 

[sojourner]

do you think Xy would be tolerant of animal sacrifices?
just a hypothetical...

Xy is a non-sacrificial religion. so is Judaism. I believe Islam is, too. I'd have to say "no."

 

[waitasec]

It is like asking 5 people to screw in a light bulb and all of them are stubborn and none of them want to do it. They would rather sit in a room with the lights off than take the time to fix the broken light fixture.

because they're waiting for god to do it...

 

[waitasec]

Xy is a non-sacrificial religion. so is Judaism. I believe Islam is, too. I'd have to say "no."

because of the destruction of the temple?

 

[Levite]

because of the destruction of the temple?

Yeah. There are some Jews who believe that if the messiah were to come, and the Temple be rebuilt, animal sacrifice would be reintroduced. But most Jews today aren't really comfortable with that idea, and many of those have opined that, should the messiah come and the Temple be rebuilt, we would receive new teachings about how to offer things other than animals in their stead.

But everyone agrees that, until the messiah comes and the Temple is rebuilt, the issue isn't even on the table, and we are prohibited any other kind of animal sacrifice.

Personally, I think animal sacrifice is a thing of the past, entirely. I don't think it will ever return, nor should it. I think we've grown beyond it.

 

[gnostic]

Here's an odd one for you: Although Christianity is an older religion than Islam, Islam, as a religion, more resembles Judaism than it does Christianity.

Except for the whole business of final judgement to either go to Paradise or Hell. Judaism don't have this concept.

Judaism is not about accessing heaven, but it all had to do with the covenant made to Abraham, about the "Promised Land", and the laws (Torah) that would govern their society. That was the Israelites piece of "heaven", a piece of land inhabited by the Canaanites, not the celestial one.

The idea of living in the Abode of God in the afterlife is totally foreign to the Jews, until the Hellenistic period, which Christians adopted pagan ideas.

Judaism is not about converting people outside the "Israelites" or "Jews", though there were few outsiders.

Anyway, Judaism have the same concept as Christianity and Islam with this regards about the afterlife.