Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Just more proof we evolved here.
Centers in our brain react to drugs that also evolved here, etc.
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Why Alcohol, Heroine, Cocaine?
- Thread starter Skwim
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Just more proof we evolved here.
Centers in our brain react to drugs that also evolved here, etc.
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I thought this was well known.
Compounds like digitalins, psilocybin, strychnine, atropine, THC, &c don't participate in the plant's physiology. The plants -- or fungus -- would grow fine without them. Their only function seems to be chemical defense against predators.
See post #61
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Maybe it's not, I don't know. I'll leave it to Skwim, I guess.
I'm not so sure that everyone does know the risks involved. I'm quite surprised every day to realize that most people don't know the significant effects it has on the brain and body, never mind the psychological effects, environmental cues and genetic factors involved (some people are predisposed to addiction). Nobody tries cocaine for the first time thinking they're going to become physically and psychologically dependent on it, that they're going to re-wire the reward mechanisms in their brain to be satisfied only with cocaine and that they're going to end up broke and on the streets or possibly dead. And very few people just know how to quit once addicted to something, or where or how to get help, which is a real problem for someone addicted to heroine, cocaine or alcohol where suddenly abstaining from the drug results in very real medical and psychological problems and possibly even death. Have you ever seen someone with delirium tremens? People need real help to get off these drugs and its not always readily available.
So whether someone can appreciate the risks involved is relevant, from where I stand. Not to mention all the people that become addicted to prescription medications (which is definitely beyond the scope of this thread) where choice doesn't play into it at all. So yeah, a person is making a conscious choice to try heroine, or alcohol or cocaine but nobody is making a choice to become an addict.
As to the relevance to the OP questions:
What could have been god's purpose in creating addictive drugs such as nicotine, alcohol, heroine, cocaine, etc?
And if they serve some reasonable purpose why make humans vulnerable to them?
I have no idea because I have no idea how a creator would want this for "his" creation. It's certainly not something I would build into the system, if I were a god.
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Maybe they are supposed to be used in moderation and for a certain purpose. Beyond that I don't know why.
Erebus
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I guess at least one of the gods just likes good music.
arthra
Baha'i
If you think about it, the Coca plant was a natural solution to the ardors of living and working in the Andes... for centuries.
"Andean Indians have long chewed leaves of the coca plant to decrease hunger and increase their stamina for work."
See:
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/science/cocaine-history-cocaine-use.html
Once it was discovered by us so called moderns ... our western civilization... we saw it first as a panacea and then promptly abused it.
"Andean Indians have long chewed leaves of the coca plant to decrease hunger and increase their stamina for work."
See:
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/science/cocaine-history-cocaine-use.html
Once it was discovered by us so called moderns ... our western civilization... we saw it first as a panacea and then promptly abused it.
Unification
Well-Known Member
What are the human creators and users of those substances purpose?
Humans make themselves vulnerable to them. Some like being slaves to substances. Some can't maintain their own mind and say no. Some like to blame.
Unification
Well-Known Member
Yes, some/many subconscious minds were impregnated with an idea to create methadone labs, bad fruit growing/expanding from their dendritic branches of neuron networks.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I assume that by "human creators" you're referring to gods of some sort. As for their purpose, I haven't the faintest idea. As for the users, I'm guessing their purpose is to gain whatever relief the drugs bring.
Unification
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Human beings create. You created this thread, or did "God" create this thread to poison minds?
Unification
Well-Known Member
I'm just trying to discern what you're trying to say. If "god" created all of those substances, then "god" also created this thread. But you created this thread, so would that make you a god?
Skwim
Veteran Member
If my assumption is incorrect I'll just chalk it up to your lack of clarity. Perhaps if you had said, "What is the purpose of those who create and those who use those substances?" OR have I again misconstrued your meaning?
Unification
Well-Known Member
If "god" created those substances, then "god" would be the user of those substances also, given the logic used by the author/creator of this thread and the user of this thread.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Unification
Well-Known Member
I'd face palm myself also if I were aware that the very thing I were blaming a "god" on, at the same time I was indirectly and unaware of calling myself a "god."
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The question remains, did a "god" create/author this thread or did you?
Did a "god" create/author those substances or did a human being(s)?
Unification
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Safe to say from that, if a human being doesn't maintain their own garden(brain/mind) they will be enslaved to addiction and suffering on their own accountability.
If someone doesn't want to potentially suffer or be under control to a substance, simply deny them.
If someone is suffering and under control to those substances, it would be wise to seek liberation/freedom from them.
Unification
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Lord Skwim, author/creator of this thread derived from the idea in his garden, for its users, and for a purpose... Where art thou?
Unification
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"I am hiding, this woman(subconscious mind) that you gave me made me do it."
I disagree with the whole premise implied in the OP: that God intentionally created psychoactive alkaloids with us in mind and that he purposely made us sensitive to their effects. This strikes me as an arrogant hubris. Humans are not the cynosure of creation.
Clinging to magical or mythological explanations for natural phenomena, after science has uncovered reasonable, mechanical explanations for them, is obtuse -- especially after the natural mechanisms involved have been pointed out.
Why does this completely baseless divine purpose premise keep coming up in posts here?
Google "Alkaloid:"
Clinging to magical or mythological explanations for natural phenomena, after science has uncovered reasonable, mechanical explanations for them, is obtuse -- especially after the natural mechanisms involved have been pointed out.
Why does this completely baseless divine purpose premise keep coming up in posts here?
Google "Alkaloid:"
Unification
Well-Known Member
Agree. Whether there is "God" or isn't, an idea/thought/subatomic particle manifested within my dendritic garden.
The creation of a thread that speaks about the choice and dangers of addiction by the ability to create ourselves, how blaming and sadistic thinking does nothing and the good news that the human is internally equipped with energy and stength to overcome/be set free from the addiction that enslaves, controls, negatively bonds, rapes, and masters ones mind.
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