Why America can't really win a nuclear war with Russia

[Subduction Zone]

Nah.
But I don't find it worth taking precautions
as extensive as creating a bunker.

Colonizing Mars in this century or even the next
is the stupidest idea since mint chocolate covered
pig chuckles.
Urban Dictionary: chuckle

I agree, the problem with bunkers is that it can some people a confidence that is totally underserved.

As to colonizing Mars, I would not mind it if it could be done at low cost, but I do not see that happening at all.

I think that we would be better off developing space industries. There are plenty of raw materials that we can get at relatively easily. Use drones to go out and recover the material, Again, human life on board instantly raised the cost of travel ten fold. Bring them back to relatively near the Earth. Not in orbital position. Refine them. Dump the waste into space where it can do no harm. (or even better amass the waste so that it can be worked over again in the future). And bring the finished product back home. Solar power is plentiful and cheap. Raw materials are retrievable with just a slight improvement in technology. Build some processing plants and in a fairly short time it pays for itself. Better yet it makes it so some Earthly sources can be covered back up. Returned to nature.

 

[74x12]

It doesn’t looking boring to me. Indeed it looks kind of interesting.

Indeed, they are actually fascinating.

Here is a lego version:

 

[Revoltingest]

Key provisions of the Outer Space Treaty, which all space faring nations have signed, prohibits nuclear weapons in outer space; limiting the use of Mars to peaceful purposes.

Outer Space Treaty (unoosa.org)

And no country ever violates a treaty.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree, the problem with bunkers is that it can some people a confidence that is totally underserved.

As to colonizing Mars, I would not mind it if it could be done at low cost, but I do not see that happening at all.

I think that we would be better off developing space industries. There are plenty of raw materials that we can get at relatively easily. Use drones to go out and recover the material, Again, human life on board instantly raised the cost of travel ten fold. Bring them back to relatively near the Earth. Not in orbital position. Refine them. Dump the waste into space where it can do no harm. (or even better amass the waste so that it can be worked over again in the future). And bring the finished product back home. Solar power is plentiful and cheap. Raw materials are retrievable with just a slight improvement in technology. Build some processing plants and in a fairly short time it pays for itself. Better yet it makes it so some Earthly sources can be covered back up. Returned to nature.

Perhaps achievable in a century or two.
We need the space elevator to avoid
prohibitively high launch costs.

 

[Suave]

And no country ever violates a treaty.

Not the Outer Space Treaty that would need be likely enforced going forward by a powerful U.S. Space Force!

 

[Revoltingest]

Not the Outer Space Treaty that would need be likely enforced going forward by a powerful U.S. Space Force!

And countered by the Russians, Chinese, & Revoltistanians.

 

[paradox]

chernobyl accident is nothing compared to nuclear missle war. nobody lives in chernobyl for decades. therefore imagine the damage of nuclear war.
its not going to happen.

 

[Wandering Monk]

chernobyl accident is nothing compared to nuclear missle war. nobody lives in chernobyl for decades. therefore imagine the damage of nuclear war.
its not going to happen.

People have been living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki since the very days they were nuked.

 

[Revoltingest]

People have been living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki since the very days they were nuked.

Setting aside the short & long term effects of radiation....
Nuclear war in WW2 was limited to 2 bombs because those
were the only ones in existence. Nuclear retaliation & escalation
weren't possible. But nowadays, there are 10k or so, most of
which are held by USA & Russia. The latter threatens employing
them if conventional warfare doesn't go their way. If USA & NATO
retaliate with nukes, we'd expect Russian escalation. The WW2
nuclear weapon damage would be miniscule in comparison.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The WW2
nuclear weapon damage would be miniscule in comparison.

Well there are two possibilities that I heard about, that might alleviate some of that. I guess one way is to use an airburst nuke, as this is said to stop fallout from occurring, as it wouldn't stir up the dirt. When I imagine the power of it however, I have a hard time believing that this would actually be the way it would happen - that the explosion wouldn't actually suck up matter into it, and cause fallout. But supposedly it does not

The other thing that the superpowers seem to research is something called EMPs. This detonation, apparently, would cause a huge power surge. And I am not a scientist, but I imagine that the power surge would be so hot, that it would cause volts of electricity to pretty much eliminate any organic matter in the area. But it probably would leave more stuff than a modern nuke would..

None of this should happen in our world. And that is why there has be a better option here, besides playing a game of chicken with russia. Let them eat, those who eat will sleep. Ukraine will not settle well in their belly, anyway. We don't need to do any more in this situation. Putin is going to die of cancer, and the invaders will not be sated by what they have done.

Bet on the younger generation of russians, you can see them on youtube, they don't agree with people like Putin. Wait for them to come into power. They will reverse what he did. Do not trust this insane impulse to react now. Wait, and let the earth and humanity live, as it naturally sheds its old power structures

 

[Audie]

Well there are two possibilities that I heard about, that might alleviate some of that. I guess one way is to use an airburst nuke, as this is said to stop fallout from occurring, as it wouldn't stir up the dirt. When I imagine the power of it however, I have a hard time believing that this would actually be the way it would happen - that the explosion wouldn't actually suck up matter into it, and cause fallout. But supposedly it does not

The other thing that the superpowers seem to research is something called EMPs. This detonation, apparently, would cause a huge power surge. And I am not a scientist, but I imagine that the power surge would be so hot, that it would cause volts of electricity to pretty much eliminate any organic matter in the area. But it probably would leave more stuff than a modern nuke would..

None of this should happen in our world. And that is why there has be a better option here, besides playing a game of chicken with russia. Let them eat, those who eat will sleep. Ukraine will not settle well in their belly, anyway. We don't need to do any more in this situation. Putin is going to die of cancer, and the invaders will not be sated by what they have done.

Bet on the younger generation of russians, you can see them on youtube, they don't agree with people like Putin. Wait for them to come into power. They will reverse what he did. Do not trust this insane impulse to react now. Wait, and let the earth and humanity live, as it naturally sheds its old power structures

Like Russians are ever going to change.

They need to have all of Siberia taken from them.
Number one worst imperialist nation ever.

By China of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well there are two possibilities that I heard about, that might alleviate some of that. I guess one way is to use an airburst nuke, as this is said to stop fallout from occurring, as it wouldn't stir up the dirt. When I imagine the power of it however, I have a hard time believing that this would actually be the way it would happen - that the explosion wouldn't actually suck up matter into it, and cause fallout. But supposedly it does not

The other thing that the superpowers seem to research is something called EMPs. This detonation, apparently, would cause a huge power surge. And I am not a scientist, but I imagine that the power surge would be so hot, that it would cause volts of electricity to pretty much eliminate any organic matter in the area. But it probably would leave more stuff than a modern nuke would..

None of this should happen in our world. And that is why there has be a better option here, besides playing a game of chicken with russia. Let them eat, those who eat will sleep. Ukraine will not settle well in their belly, anyway. We don't need to do any more in this situation. Putin is going to die of cancer, and the invaders will not be sated by what they have done.

Bet on the younger generation of russians, you can see them on youtube, they don't agree with people like Putin. Wait for them to come into power. They will reverse what he did. Do not trust this insane impulse to react now. Wait, and let the earth and humanity live, as it naturally sheds its old power structures

I don't even know where to start
disagreeing with all of that.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well there are two possibilities that I heard about, that might alleviate some of that. I guess one way is to use an airburst nuke, as this is said to stop fallout from occurring, as it wouldn't stir up the dirt. When I imagine the power of it however, I have a hard time believing that this would actually be the way it would happen - that the explosion wouldn't actually suck up matter into it, and cause fallout. But supposedly it does not

The other thing that the superpowers seem to research is something called EMPs. This detonation, apparently, would cause a huge power surge. And I am not a scientist, but I imagine that the power surge would be so hot, that it would cause volts of electricity to pretty much eliminate any organic matter in the area. But it probably would leave more stuff than a modern nuke would..

None of this should happen in our world. And that is why there has be a better option here, besides playing a game of chicken with russia. Let them eat, those who eat will sleep. Ukraine will not settle well in their belly, anyway. We don't need to do any more in this situation. Putin is going to die of cancer, and the invaders will not be sated by what they have done.

Bet on the younger generation of russians, you can see them on youtube, they don't agree with people like Putin. Wait for them to come into power. They will reverse what he did. Do not trust this insane impulse to react now. Wait, and let the earth and humanity live, as it naturally sheds its old power structures

Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) - What You Need to Know (commonsensehome.com)

So, mostly affects electrical equipment and wiring, and given that it would take time to replace any such damaged, would be rather horrendous. As related in the article, some precautions can be taken - I suspect a computer isolated in an oven might survive OK, such acting as a Faraday cage. So always keep a backup device there.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) - What You Need to Know (commonsensehome.com)

So, mostly affects electrical equipment and wiring, and given that it would take time to replace any such damaged, would be rather horrendous. As related in the article, some precautions can be taken - I suspect a computer isolated in an oven might survive OK, such acting as a Faraday cage. So always keep a backup device there.

That is meaningless in practice, if the rest of the computers making up the Internet are not working.

 

[Mock Turtle]

That is meaningless in practice, if the rest of the computers making up the Internet are not working.

Erm, I'd rather have a working computer, thanks. The internet is optional.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Erm, I'd rather have a working computer, thanks. The internet is optional.

Then you rely on there being a power source. Have you done a backup of that?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Then you rely on there being a power source. Have you done a backup of that?

Jeez, you are getting finnicky. You suggest we all just throw our arms in the air or wail on the floor crying. Of course things would be horrific if such an event happened, and most would probably starve given that the infrastructure for electrical distribution would take weeks or months to be reestablished. Kiss goodbye to any of your data then, by your approach. Mine was a tongue-in-cheek solution - given any who did so would probably fry any device along with their Sunday roast.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Jeez, you are getting finnicky. You suggest we all just throw our arms in the air or wail on the floor crying. Of course things would be horrific if such an event happened, and most would probably starve given that the infrastructure for electrical distribution would take weeks or months to be reestablished. Kiss goodbye to any of your data then, by your approach. Mine was a tongue-in-cheek solution - given any who did so would probably fry any device along with their Sunday roast.

Here is what you do. Become a prepper. Learn what does entail in total.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Here is what you do. Become a prepper. Learn what does entail in total.

I haven't got that long to live so not bothered anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

So just give up? I think if you store enough resources it will be feasible. I mean we're talking about colonising Mars but we can't colonize a radioactive earth? I think it is not too difficult.

Anyway the bunkers would be definite last resort. No doubt about that.

I store a whole lotta extra supplies anyway.
It's just what I do.