Why Anti-Christian Posts are a Pain

[Mavrikmind]

no religion really gets attacked moreso than any other... in fact, no belief system really gets attacked more than anything else. For every idea, there's an opposing idea.

If you like your ideas, prepare to defend them, because although there may be those who stand with you, there will be just as many who stand against you.

Also Christianity is world wide and the largest organized religioun on the face of the planet. So after reading the above quote from Buttons post, one could put those two thoughts together and what you get is the worlds largest target. Painfull as the attacks may be, they will allways be there and in profuse numbers

 

[XAAX]

I think this is far too serious of a topic to post while fully clothed. I propose we all get naked and post in the nude from now on.

Praise the Lord!!!

 

[!Fluffy!]

&tc

Okay, sorry you have to be around lousy ppl like that. But they are just that, people. And IMO not very representative of the love of Christ.

Frankly I am having a hard time concentrating while jumping nekkid on Uncle Phil's trampoline. It's only 35 degrees here. Brrrr!

:trampo:

I need SOUP!

 

[Hacker]

But aside from that, telling people that they are under the sway of evil demons and must "believe" in the sacred words to be saved from an eternity in Hell is no less inconsiderate.

Thank you.:yes:

 

[XAAX]

Okay, sorry you have to be around lousy ppl like that. But they are just that, people. And IMO not very representative of the love of Christ.

Frankly I am having a hard time concentrating while jumping nekkid on Uncle Phil's trampoline. It's only 35 degrees here. Brrrr!

:trampo:

I need SOUP!

LOL, yes pretty lousy...they don't bother me anymore; I actually pity their simple-ness. I just feel bad for the others that start down similar paths as my own. It can be very painful emotionally. Like I said, my only beef now is regarding the laws of this country. Lets say that the Muslims took over the judicial system and started enforcing things that they find moral. The problem would then be the Muslims. Do you get my point? No religion should have that right, due to the fact it will always be bias to their beliefs.

 

[!Fluffy!]

"The Christian is only too willing to perform this deplorable act of self-sabotage because he is a weakling who is terrified of assuming responsibility and control over his own life and decisions."

Dude, I'm not even Christian and this raises my hackles. As I said, much easier to step back when you're not the one in question. And I don't see this thread as an "attack back." Moon Woman criticized the behavior of the anti-christian posts, not the people.

There are so many threads on RF and so many little misunderstandings between the different faiths, many of which are cleared up by our interacting with each other. For what reason should a Christian, or any other person for that matter, spend time with someone so far gone? Part of my work in real life involves anti-racism. I don't waste my time arguing with people who say hateful things about blacks (or hispanics or arabs or whatever). Yes, it's possible that if I work with these people for a long time that I might be able to get them to see differently... maybe. The again, usually not. Instead, I spend my time with people who are on the edge, who have some inkling that it's wrong to make generalizations but are struggling. Those are the people whom I want to reach. So if you have the patience to address this "perfect opportunity" knock yourself out. I don't.

Very well put, you are so articulate. No more frubals for lilithu!


and I :clap the work you are doing btw

 

[lilithu]

Like I said, my only beef now is regarding the laws of this country. Lets say that the Muslims took over the judicial system and started enforcing things that they find moral. The problem would then be the Muslims. Do you get my point? No religion should have that right, due to the fact it will always be bias to their beliefs.

Isn't that what our founding fathers had said from the beginning?

 

[XAAX]

Isn't that what our founding fathers had said from the beginning?

Yep, If only we could have stuck to it though...

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

You know I find that it is often how we (Christians) act or speak that invokes the attacks against us. I really don't think people dislike our religion, they just dislike the way we act. And it's hard to blame them sometimes. We are generally pretty blind and intolerant. In fact, that's what really bothers me: all the stupid attacks on Muslims or Buddhists or other Christian faiths that I hear from "Christians" I know. If we are really Christians, shouldn't we be a little more Christlike?

 

[lilithu]

Thanks. Assuming he's not banned first, I might just do that.

Why would he be banned? yipes!! By "personal attack" I meant his post was directed at Christians as opposed to directed at Christian beliefs or actions. But that's not the same thing as saying "You are stupid etc..."

He ticked me off but I don't think he should be banned. Perhaps someone with more patience than myself can suggest to him a different approach. hint hint.

 

[!Fluffy!]

You know I find that it is often how we (Christians) act or speak that invokes the attacks against us. I really don't think people dislike our religion, they just dislike the way we act. And it's hard to blame them sometimes. We are generally pretty blind and intolerant. In fact, that's what really bothers me: all the stupid attacks on Muslims or Buddhists or other Christian faiths that I hear from "Christians" I know. If we are really Christians, shouldn't we be a little more Christlike?

I'm not so sure about the people not disliking our religion part. And yes Christians can be a pain. But we are people, and that is my point. Didn't Jesus love us as he found us? We can be grateful for that. And we should acknowledge that Christ didn't come here to make bad people good, he came here to make dead people live.

This is what a lot of people don't get, Christians and non. We are just people, as diverse in our temperaments as any other *brand*.

 

[methylatedghosts]

I don't know that there are as many "anti-christian" "insults" or whatever around as some may claim to be.

I think it is a matter of perspective. If many people say one thing (that might be arguments against certain aspects of christianity), it rings louder than few supportive arguments. Thus, some people in the supportive viewpoint could feel under attack, and place a front and begin to percieve these arguments as being attacks.

I have had plenty of replies to my posts, that at first seem to attack me because there are so many posts that refute what I say. But I then see they are all saying the same thing, so I can only take them on board and maybe they are worth looking at. I think we need to remember, that there isn't much point in getting all flustered and heated on an online forum. I mean, I don't know anyone here, I have never seen anyone here, so why should I be angry at someone here? Insults on a site such as this mean nothing (well, not to me anyway - go on, insult me. You know you want to...... )

 

[Stairs In My House]

The thing that really concerns me when I see the behavior of some Christians used as an attack on Christianity in general (even if it's the behavior of the majority) is that it allows those very same people to define what it means to be Christian by their behavior and perpetuates the notion that their version of Christianity is representative of the faith as a whole. It marginalizes the Christians who don't engage in that particular behavior and puts them on the defensive within their own faith as they must now demonstrate to outsiders and other Christians that they can behave as they do and still be Christians.

In other words, anti-Christian attacks alter the larger social discourse about Christianity by placing the extremists in the middle and placing the moderates in the margins, which alters the overall social meaning of "Christian" as a form of self identification. The end result arguably reinforces and perpetuates the very same behavior that the original attackers were unhappy about, by making it more closely connected with what it means to be a Christian.

So, um, good going.

 

[lilithu]

The thing that really concerns me when I see the behavior of some Christians used as an attack on Christianity in general (even if it's the behavior of the majority) is that it allows those very same people to define what it means to be Christian by their behavior and perpetuates the notion that their version of Christianity is representative of the faith as a whole. It marginalizes the Christians who don't engage in that particular behavior and puts them on the defensive within their own faith as they must now demonstrate to outsiders and other Christians that they can behave as they do and still be Christians.

In other words, anti-Christian attacks alter the larger social discourse about Christianity by placing the extremists in the middle and placing the moderates in the margins, which alters the overall social meaning of "Christian" as a form of self identification. The end result arguably reinforces and perpetuates the very same behavior that the original attackers were unhappy about, by making it more closely connected with what it means to be a Christian.

So, um, good going.

:clap Excellent post!!

The question that I always have however when I see an anti-Christian attack is whether the motivation of the poster is to critique the behaviors of some Christians in order to improve it. Or to condemn Christianity, in order to make themselves feel better. You give the attackers the benefit of doubt (which is great!) I am more inclined to doubt the goodness of their intentions. Perhaps it is something that I should work on.

The question boils down to: is the critique being made in love?

 

[Mathematician]

I want to amend the title of this thread to say Anti-[Any Religion] posts are a pain. Speaking as an atheist, I've noticed a few too many non-theists attacking Islamic and Christian fundamentalist by presenting themselves as an extremist in their own rights.

I think the reason you see Anti-Christian (and to a lesser extent Islam) posts is because it is the prevalent religion for most of us. I'm in agreement that painting Christians in one color is failing to realize the beautiful differences that exist in the religion. Comparing Mormons to Catholics, or even Southern Baptists to Baptists would be a big mistake on my part. Hopefully I haven't shown that ignorance, but if I have I apologize.

After quickly browsing through this forum, I've come to the conclusion that the posts dealing with Christianity, Islam, and non-theism actually qualify as the top 3. Hopefully we can see more discussions about Paganism, Buddhism, Sikhism (really interests me), etc.

 

[lilithu]

I want to amend the title of this thread to say Anti-[Any Religion] posts are a pain. Speaking as an atheist, ...

Then why is your username purple?

Anyway, great post birthday boy!

 

[Stairs In My House]

You give the attackers the benefit of doubt (which is great!) I am more inclined to doubt the goodness of their intentions.

Actually I think it was more my neutral academic mode kicking in (discourse analysis is something I study and teach), but now that you've pointed it out I think it's the right approach so I'm going to retroactively say that yes, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[!Fluffy!]

I don't know that there are as many "anti-christian" "insults" or whatever around as some may claim to be.

I think it is a matter of perspective. If many people say one thing (that might be arguments against certain aspects of christianity), it rings louder than few supportive arguments. Thus, some people in the supportive viewpoint could feel under attack, and place a front and begin to percieve these arguments as being attacks.

I have had plenty of replies to my posts, that at first seem to attack me because there are so many posts that refute what I say. But I then see they are all saying the same thing, so I can only take them on board and maybe they are worth looking at. I think we need to remember, that there isn't much point in getting all flustered and heated on an online forum. I mean, I don't know anyone here, I have never seen anyone here, so why should I be angry at someone here? Insults on a site such as this mean nothing (well, not to me anyway - go on, insult me. You know you want to...... )

"The Christian is only too willing to perform this deplorable act of self-sabotage because he is a weakling who is terrified of assuming responsibility and control over his own life and decisions."

Insert methylatedghostsreligion in place of "Christian" and tell me how that affects you.

 

[BFD_Zayl]

i attack those that attack...in essence. be nice to me and i will be nice to you...be a jerk off and you will find yourself in a bad spot of trouble...i love people of all faiths, so please lets just put aside the hate.... or i'll friggin MAKE you put aside the hate:angel2:

 

[!Fluffy!]

I want to amend the title of this thread to say Anti-[Any Religion] posts are a pain. Speaking as an atheist, I've noticed a few too many non-theists attacking Islamic and Christian fundamentalist by presenting themselves as an extremist in their own rights.

I think the reason you see Anti-Christian (and to a lesser extent Islam) posts is because it is the prevalent religion for most of us. I'm in agreement that painting Christians in one color is failing to realize the beautiful differences that exist in the religion. Comparing Mormons to Catholics, or even Southern Baptists to Baptists would be a big mistake on my part. Hopefully I haven't shown that ignorance, but if I have I apologize.

After quickly browsing through this forum, I've come to the conclusion that the posts dealing with Christianity, Islam, and non-theism actually qualify as the top 3. Hopefully we can see more discussions about Paganism, Buddhism, Sikhism (really interests me), etc.

Yes GC I agree with the premise, this one happened to be a specific response to the Christian-laughter-full-of-pain thread, thus the title.

Usually I just ignore and go on, but I was just in one of those moods today when I saw that thread...