Why are christians morally inferior to atheists

[S-word]

Personally I regard that when someone is dead they do not need any protection, they do not exist anymore. It is not a real difference in how you care about your loved ones, as much as a difference in belief of what happens when we die.

As an atheist you do not believe in the survival of the mind after the death of the body in which the mind that is "I" has developed. While I believe that the inner life force that was in the first primitive earthly life form, has evolved on the spirits that had developed in all those life forms, and through and within the bodies of all my ancestors including my pre-Human ancestors, that indwelling life force has become who I Am.

Not only do we all share in the universal body, so too, do we all share the universal soul, and I also believe that my life is imprinted upon the soul (Universal animating principle) and after the body in which "I" the mind has developed is returned to the universal elements from which it originated, "I" who was created by the information taken in through the senses of that body and imprinted on the universal soul or the divine animating principle that prevades the entire universal body, will continue to protect my loved ones.

 

[rageoftyrael]

you do realize that atheism deals with belief in a god/gods, right? So, i could be a spiritual person, and still be atheist. There are religions just like that, and i'm sure a few of the members here are part of them....

 

[Kerr]

As an atheist you do not believe in the survival of the mind after the death of the body in which the mind that is "I" has developed. While I believe that the inner life force that was in the first primitive earthly life form, has evolved on the spirits that had developed in all those life forms, and through and within the bodies of all my ancestors including my pre-Human ancestors, that indwelling life force has become who I Am.

Not only do we all share in the universal body, so too, do we all share the universal soul, and I also believe that my life is imprinted upon the soul (Universal animating principle) and after the body in which "I" the mind has developed is returned to the universal elements from which it originated, "I" who was created by the information taken in through the senses of that body and imprinted on the universal soul or the divine animating principle that prevades the entire universal body, will continue to protect my loved ones.

That is what you believe, I do not. Does not mean you care more then I.

you do realize that atheism deals with belief in a god/gods, right? So, i could be a spiritual person, and still be atheist. There are religions just like that, and i'm sure a few of the members here are part of them....

Ok, suspected that, but was not sure. Thanks.

 

[S-word]

you do realize that atheism deals with belief in a god/gods, right? Not flamin likely mate. So, i could be a spiritual person, and still be atheist. No you couldn't. There are religions just like that, and i'm sure a few of the members here are part of them....

Then you aint no atheist mate. From the Readers Digest Universal Dictionary, "Atheism" 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God. 2. Godlessness; wickedness. 3. The doctrine that there is no God, or that the word "God" and statements about it or using it, is meaningless. From athee, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless: a-, without + theos, god] --atheist n.

 

[blueman]

Try to step out side and reflect on this moral hierarchy: you're not rewarded for any good you do, but for whether or not you buy the story.

Your steadfast is your belief and I in mine. We will agree to disagree.

 

[Kerr]

Then you aint no atheist mate. From the Readers Digest Universal Dictionary, "Atheism" 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God. 2. Godlessness; wickedness. 3. The doctrine that there is no God, or that the word "God" and statements about it or using it, is meaningless. From athee, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless: a-, without + theos, god] --atheist n.

Spirituality does not require a god or gods. A living proof is a friend of mine who is spiritual but not religious.

 

[Autodidact]

To be quite honest, I don't believe that the hypothetical child would receive too much concideration from me at all, as all my efforts and thoughts would be aimed at the survival of myself and or those who are nearest and dearest to me.


If you were one of those floating around there also, I very much doubt that I would even acknowledge your existence. But, even though I would be abandoning you to God our Father who raised Jesus from death and is able to raise you also, the Atheist who abandons you, abandons you to total oblivion.

You seem to think that believing something makes it real. Regardless of what you and a hypothetical atheist believe, all of the hypothetical drowning people are left in the same situation. Let's assume you're wrong, and the atheist is right. All the victims are equally dead or rescued, as the case may be. If you're right, and the atheist is wrong, the same people are dead, rescued or ascend to heaven or whatever. Whatever you believe about God will have no effect on them.

 

[Autodidact]

Then you aint no atheist mate. From the Readers Digest Universal Dictionary, "Atheism" 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God. 2. Godlessness; wickedness. 3. The doctrine that there is no God, or that the word "God" and statements about it or using it, is meaningless. From athee, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless: a-, without + theos, god] --atheist n.

That's right. Atheists don't believe there is a God. We may believe a variety of things about the afterlife or the spiritual world.

 

[Autodidact]

Your steadfast is your belief and I in mine. We will agree to disagree.

But I do agree with you, completely! A Christian believes the most important thing is not what you do, but what you believe. I agree; that's what Christians believe. I haven't even remarked or passed any judgment on this. I'm asking you to do so. Step back, and look at your moral system from the outside. For you a moral person is not one who does good, but one who believes that Jesus is God, right? Now what do you think of that moral ranking?

 

[S-word]

Spirituality does not require a god or gods. A living proof is a friend of mine who is spiritual but not religious.

So? My response was to the words written by rageoftyrael as seen here."you do realize that atheism deals with belief in a god/gods, right? " I know that certain atheists believe in life after death and ghosts, demons and things that go bump in the night.

But rageoftyrael doesn't know what he is, in one post he says he is an atheist, and atheists do not believe that there is a God. In another post he says he is an agnostic, and an agnostic believe that there could be a God, but that there is no way of proving his existence. Then he claims to be atheist/agnostic, you can be one or the orher, you cannot be both.

 

[S-word]

That's right. Atheists don't believe there is a God. We may believe a variety of things about the afterlife or the spiritual world.

As I have already stated, I know that certain atheists believe in life after death and ghosts, demons and things that go bump in the night.

I know of atheists who visit spiritualists in their attempt to contact their lost loved ones, so they do believe that there is a spiritual kingdom where the spirits of the dead live, but they don't believe that one of those spirits is superior to all the rest and is in fact the compilation of all those spirits. I believe that like rageoftyrael, they honestly don't know what they believe.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So? My response was to the words written by rageoftyrael as seen here."you do realize that atheism deals with belief in a god/gods, right? " I know that certain atheists believe in life after death and ghosts, demons and things that go bump in the night.

But rageoftyrael doesn't know what he is, in one post he says he is an atheist, and atheists do not believe that there is a God. In another post he says he is an agnostic, and an agnostic believe that there could be a God, but that there is no way of proving his existence. Then he claims to be atheist/agnostic, you can be one or the orher, you cannot be both.

That's one set of definitions. In another commonly accepted set of definitions, the labels "theist/atheist" deal with belief and the label "agnostic" deals with knowledge. In this system, an agnostic atheist is someone who believes there is no god but doesn't know for sure.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

But rageoftyrael doesn't know what he is, in one post he says he is an atheist, and atheists do not believe that there is a God. In another post he says he is an agnostic, and an agnostic believe that there could be a God, but that there is no way of proving his existence.

Right, so he claims to be two mutually compatible things.

Then he claims to be atheist/agnostic, you can be one or the orher, you cannot be both.

There's nothing stopping someone from being two things which are compatible.

 

[rageoftyrael]

you also realized that i kind of slowly came to this realization, right? As my understanding of my beliefs, and myself, grew, i had to redefine myself so that people could better understand my beliefs. Atotalstranger is part of the reason i started calling myself an atheist to begin with. Also, i slowly came to the realization that being a jerk about religion isn't going to change anything, so i've tried to tone it down. You are attacking me for things i've said in the past, quite a while ago. I'm not saying i can't be held accountable for those things, but i will say that you should probably get over them.

 

[DallasApple]

Hmm....

I dont know where anyone ever got the idea that Christians don't drink or have sex.All the ones (the majority) of the ones I know do and if they say they dont(most of them) then they are liars.

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Well, now that I got your attention.....I really don't think christians are morally inferior, but this is in response to those who claim that if they did not have a belief in god, then nothing would stop them from living a hedonistic type lifestyle (drinking, sex, stealing, etc). I really want to know what is it in the makeup of the christian psyche, that leaves them unable to lead a "moral" life without some kind of belief in a deity. Why don't they have the self-regulating ability to control their actions not to cause harm to themselves or others? Most atheists I know are able to do this, so why aren't christians able to self-regulate? What are they missing?

They are able to self regulate.(at least as well as others for the most part).How do you think they believe?God doesnt jump out of a bush and yell "put down that beer I said to right this minute and believe in me !

Sometimes they have a couple of beers and then say a prayer of thanks for the beer.

Love

Dallas

 

[Autodidact]

Hmm....

I dont know where anyone ever got the idea that Christians don't drink or have sex.All the ones (the majority) of the ones I know do and if they say they dont(most of them) then they are liars.

Love

Dallas

Hence all the little baby Christians.
But who said Christians don't drink or have sex?

 

[Autodidact]

They are able to self regulate.(at least as well as others for the most part).How do you think they believe?God doesnt jump out of a bush and yell "put down that beer I said to right this minute and believe in me !

Sometimes they have a couple of beers and then say a prayer of thanks for the beer.

Love

Dallas

Not to mention the sex. Often, this prayer is uttered during the sex in question.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Hmm....

I dont know where anyone ever got the idea that Christians don't drink or have sex.All the ones (the majority) of the ones I know do and if they say they dont(most of them) then they are liars.

Love

Dallas

You know what the difference between a Southern Baptist and a Catholic are?

The Southern Baptist hides his smoking and drinking from others in his church.

The Catholic has his cigarette on his way out to the car after mass, on his way to the bar.

(Please, I am not bashing anyone, I was a Southern Baptist deacon for 3 years, and my dad is a converted Catholic. Just something I observed.)

 

[S-word]

That's one set of definitions. In another commonly accepted set of definitions, the labels "theist/atheist" deal with belief and the label "agnostic" deals with knowledge. In this system, an agnostic atheist is someone who believes there is no god but doesn't know for sure.

Again, you cannot believe that there is no God, and yet be not sure whether there is a God or not, because if you are not sure whether God exists or does not exist, then how can you possibly say that you have faith in the fact that there is no God?