Why are christians morally inferior to atheists

[Nepenthe]

Great arguements posted here .... For those in denial, I hope your right, however if your wrong and the christians are right.... what then? At the final day it's a position that can't be changed!!

My concern over Jesus or YHWH's wrath is comparable to my fear that Odin and Quetzalcoatl will mug me in the parking garage. Actually, I fear that a bit more since I just pulled $100 out of the atm.

 

[Sunstone]

Great arguements posted here .... For those in denial, I hope your right, however if your wrong and the christians are right.... what then? At the final day it's a position that can't be changed!!

Even if Christians are right -- Especially if they are right -- I could not worship a deity that eternally tortures people. But what are the odds Christians are right? I reckon the odds are slim.

 

[Magic Man]

Great arguements posted here .... For those in denial, I hope your right, however if your wrong and the christians are right.... what then? At the final day it's a position that can't be changed!!

I see "your" a fan of Pascal's Wager.

Now, if "your" wrong and Muslims are right...what then?

 

[McBell]

Then you think/believe wrongly. Lets forget about the word "believe"and concentrate on the word "Denial".

From the Readers Digest Universal Dictionary, Published in 1988; "Atheism" 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God. 2. Godlessness; wickedness. 3. The doctrine that there is no God, or that the word "God" and statements about it or using it, is meaningless. From athee, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless: a-, without + theos, god] --atheist n.

For your benifit I should point out from the same dictionary, the definition of the word "Denial," but I'm sure you, as do all true atheists, know that one cannot believe in the possible existence of something while denying its very existence, not a sane person anyway. If you have any doubts in the existence of God and yet still believe that there is no way of proving its existence, then admit to yourself that you are not an athesist, but are in fact an agnostic, you can be one or the other, you cannot be both.

You go right ahead and stick like glue to the definition YOU prefer.

However, in the really real world your preferred definition is NOT the only possible definition:
Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[McBell]

Great arguements posted here .... For those in denial, I hope your right, however if your wrong and the christians are right.... what then?

then I take full credit for my choice and if your vain and petty god wants to send to a like of eternal fire, so be it.

At the final day it's a position that can't be changed!!

Opinion presented as fact.

 

[S-word]

S-word. If you don't recognize the possibility that you could be wrong, you're just close-minded.

Oh, I recognise that on some issues I may be wrong, But I am not wrong on the definition of the word "Atheist" and neither am I wrong in my "Total Belief" in the existence of my Father God my saviour, who was the singularity, in the very beginning, that was torn asunder with a tremendous Bang to become all that is.


Who, from the very beginning began to evolve on the information taken into all the universal life forms that He, the singularity of our origin has become. My Father ancestral spirit that dwells within the innermost sanctuary of this tabernacle that is me, who has become "Who I Am" by the gathering of all the spirits of my ancestors, human and pre-human.


"Total Belief," means that I have absolutely no doubt that my God "Who I Am" exists, unlike most (So called) atheists in this thread who have doubts as to whether a God exists or not, that is, they are not, and have admitted that they are not 100% certain that there is no god. Now if, as they have admitted, that they are not 100% certain that God does not exist, How can they possibly say that they absolutely deny the existence of a God who they are not 100% certain does not exist? Good heavens, give me a break mate, it is you mob of "Agnostics" who erroneously call yourselves "Atheists," who are closed minded and refuse to accept that you could possibly be wrong and my God who has become "Who You Are," will prove that to you.

 

[rageoftyrael]

S-word, i'm so close to going troll on you. But i don't want to be banned. You are ignorant, willfully so, and act as if you know all. Now, Mestemia provided a newer definition of atheism for you. You are using a 21 year old dictionary, and acting as if it could not possibly be wrong. That is ridiculous. You are forgetting the most important part of atheism and agnosticism. Agnosticism deals with knowledge. Atheism deals with belief. Now, i believe, pretty much a hundred percent, that there is no god. I don't believe in god. But i'm agnostic, cause i don't KNOW that there is no god. Get it? Do you get it now? I can't make it any simpler.

 

[AlsoAnima]

I see "your" a fan of Pascal's Wager.

Now, if "your" wrong and Muslims are right...what then?

I think that Pascal's argument is a convincing one.

I always think that it is a stupid one, that amounts to little more than a logical threat, rather than an emotional one.

 

[Kerr]

Oh, I recognise that on some issues I may be wrong, But I am not wrong on the definition of the word "Atheist" and neither am I wrong in my "Total Belief" in the existence of my Father God my saviour, who was the singularity, in the very beginning, that was torn asunder with a tremendous Bang to become all that is.

It is not a matter of definition, it is a matter of interpretation. The definition of an atheist say that you do not need to claim that you know anything about the existance or not about deities, just that you do not have belief or faith in such an existance.

 

[S-word]

You go right ahead and stick like glue to the definition YOU prefer.

However, in the really real world your preferred definition is NOT the only possible definition:
Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Matey, I have every intention of sticking like glue to the correct definition of “Atheism’.

You jump into this debate without first reading what has already been said; if you had, you would realise that I have no problems with people who claim to be “Agnostic Atheists,” or “Agnostic Theists”.

A true Atheist does not belong to the “Atheist Agnostic” belief, nor does a true Agnostic belong to that belief. For one who belongs to the “Atheistic Agnosticism” belief is neither a true Atheist, nor a true agnostic, as this is a separate belief which encompasses both “Atheism and Agnosticism”.

As is the case also with the “Agnostic Theist” belief. No true agnostic or true theist hold to this belief, which encompasses the two. The “Agnostic Theist” is one who believes that one or more deities do exist, but claim to have no definitive knowledge to support their belief.

And so my dear friend, In the really world, the definition of the word "Atheist" which I have qouted from the Universal Dictionary, is the true definition of that word.

 

[S-word]

Also notice the "or" in that definition .

How observant you are for an atheist, although I very much doubt that you belong to the atheistic belief, but instead, belong to the "Atheistic Agnosticism" belief which encompasses both the atheistic belief and the agnostic belief.

The correct quotation from the Universal Dictionary is, "Disbelief in or denial"; this was done to reveal the connatation between disbelief and denial. If you have been following this debate, you will have seen where the self proclaimed atheists who are not atheists at all, but instead belong to the "Atheistic Agnosticism" belief, define the word belief as "To Think".

Now I don't know about you, but myself, I have often come across a person who has made the claim that some certain event will occur in the future, and I have said to them "Do you really think that it will Happen," to which they has responded in a harsh and excited manner, "Matey, I don't THINK it will happen, I bloodywell KNOW that it will."

So you see, the word "Think" does not have any real connotation to the word "Belief", If one KNOWS something exists, then they believe it exists, but if one only thinks that it exists, they are not 100% sure that it does exist and cannot therefore deny its existence.

And knowing the false interpretation that certain of you atheists give to the word "belief," If I were constructing a sentence in which I were to say that I believe something will occur, in order that those people cannot misconstrue my statement as meaning that I THINK something will occur, I would write, I believe OR KNOW that something will occur.

 

[S-word]

S-word, i'm so close to going troll on you. But i don't want to be banned. You are ignorant, willfully so, and act as if you know all. Now, Mestemia provided a newer definition of atheism for you. You are using a 21 year old dictionary, and acting as if it could not possibly be wrong. That is ridiculous. You are forgetting the most important part of atheism and agnosticism. Agnosticism deals with knowledge. Atheism deals with belief. Now, i believe, pretty much a hundred percent, that there is no god. I don't believe in god. But i'm agnostic, cause i don't KNOW that there is no god. Get it? Do you get it now? I can't make it any simpler.

What part of the 100% are you not certain of? Which percentage makes it impossible for you to be defined as a true atheist who explicitly denies the existence of a God or gods?

quote=rageoftyrael; I don't believe in god. But i'm agnostic, cause i don't KNOW that there is no god.


If you're still claiming to be an atheist, then you're correct mate, you can't get any SIMPLER than that .

 

[S-word]

It is not a matter of definition, it is a matter of interpretation. The definition of an atheist say that you do not need to claim that you know anything about the existance or not about deities, just that you do not have belief or faith in such an existance.

By S-word: And which atheist gave this defination which is contrary to the defination in the Universal Dictionary, and if, as they have admitted, they are not 100% certain that God or gods do not exist, then they are not exercising faith in their supposed belief of the nonexistence of God or gods and are therefore not atheists who deny the existence of God.

So how would you interpret the words of the so called atheists with whom I have been debating, who claim that they don't THINK (Which is their interpretation of the word "Believe") that there is a God, but are not 100% certain that a God or gods do not exist?

 

[monta]

It is not a matter of definition, it is a matter of interpretation. The definition of an atheist say that you do not need to claim that you know anything about the existance or not about deities, just that you do not have belief or faith in such an existance.

By S-word: And which atheist gave this defination which is contrary to the defination in the Universal Dictionary, and if, as they have admitted, they are not 100% certain that God or gods do not exist, then they are not exercising faith in their supposed belief of the nonexistence of God or gods and are therefore not atheists who deny the existence of God.

So how would you interpret the words of the so called atheists with whom I have been debating, who claim that they don't THINK (Which is their interpretation of the word "Believe") that there is a God, but are not 100% certain that a God or gods do not exist?

Must be nice to be able to change what people believe, simply by taking their words and finding an alternate meaning that fits your whims. I guess if somebody wrote believe they must mean every single permutation of meaning of that word, or at least the one that suits your purpose, eh ?

 

[Kerr]

It is not a matter of definition, it is a matter of interpretation. The definition of an atheist say that you do not need to claim that you know anything about the existance or not about deities, just that you do not have belief or faith in such an existance.

By S-word: And which atheist gave this defination which is contrary to the defination in the Universal Dictionary, and if, as they have admitted, they are not 100% certain that God or gods do not exist, then they are not exercising faith in their supposed belief of the nonexistence of God or gods and are therefore not atheists who deny the existence of God.

So how would you interpret the words of the so called atheists with whom I have been debating, who claim that they don't THINK (Which is their interpretation of the word "Believe") that there is a God, but are not 100% certain that a God or gods do not exist?

If you believe you do not know.

 

[McBell]

Matey, I have every intention of sticking like glue to the correct definition of “Atheism’.

Correct?
Yes it is correct, but only where it applies.

Unfortunately for you, it is NOT the absolute absolute definition you so desperately want/need it to be.

You jump into this debate without first reading what has already been said; if you had, you would realise that I have no problems with people who claim to be “Agnostic Atheists,” or “Agnostic Theists”.

This is merely a sad attempt to protect your wishful thinking.

The fact is you made it perfectly clear that you are going to stick like glue to the one definition YOU prefer.
All other definitions be damned.

A true Atheist does not belong to the “Atheist Agnostic” belief, nor does a true Agnostic belong to that belief. For one who belongs to the “Atheistic Agnosticism” belief is neither a true Atheist, nor a true agnostic, as this is a separate belief which encompasses both “Atheism and Agnosticism”.

This is nothing more than a seriously sad attempt at the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

As is the case also with the “Agnostic Theist” belief. No true agnostic or true theist hold to this belief, which encompasses the two. The “Agnostic Theist” is one who believes that one or more deities do exist, but claim to have no definitive knowledge to support their belief.

Yet another sad attempt at the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

And so my dear friend, In the really world, the definition of the word "Atheist" which I have qouted from the Universal Dictionary, is the true definition of that word.

And yet you still are doing nothing more than clinging to your favourite definition and ignoring all other definitions of the word.

 

[Humanistheart]

Matey, I have every intention of sticking like glue to the correct definition of “Atheism’.
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Oh, then why praytell did you say earlier the 'belief of athiesm'. Atheism is not a belief.

 

[Autodidact]

Great arguements posted here .... For those in denial, I hope your right, however if your wrong and the christians are right.... what then? At the final day it's a position that can't be changed!!

Hey, what if you're wrong and the Muslims are right? Come judgment day, you'll be laughing out of the other side of your mouth.

Do you find that trying to scare people into agreeing with you is usually an effective approach?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Matey, I have every intention of sticking like glue to the correct [sic] definition of “Atheism’.

Yep - your willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty are unsurprising.

 

[Father Heathen]

Great arguements posted here .... For those in denial, I hope your right, however if your wrong and the christians are right.... what then? At the final day it's a position that can't be changed!!

Ah, Pascal's Wager, a classic logical fallacy that gets regurgitated often here. Even if there was a god, it wouldn't necessarily prove that any of the claims of Christianity, nor any of the claims of the thousands of other religions, to be true. Obviously.