Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Actually, "spewed" or "puked up" would be more correct, as "regurgitate" implies someone is gaining some nutritional value from it.
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Why are christians morally inferior to atheists
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Actually, "spewed" or "puked up" would be more correct, as "regurgitate" implies someone is gaining some nutritional value from it.
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
I have been watching apples on my tree for many years now. It is fully conceivable, since I don't know everything, that an apple may one day leap off the tree change to a purple color start humming and in total defiance of gravity accelerate up into the sky into outer space and orbit the earth later reentering the atmosphere and turning to a fully formed elephant.
In all the years I have watched, every single apple simply drops to the ground. I admit on philosophical grounds I cannot deny the possibility exists for a suborbital apple, but the chances of it occurring are so minuscule that it should be, for all practical purposes, considered pure fantasy. My practical experience, commonsense and the books I have read also tend to back up this premise.
As far as I am concerned I am an atheist denying all supernatural non-physical phenomena as a hoax, or honest misinterpretation of observed phenomena, and a good example of the placebo effect, even though I know that mathematically there is always a "THEORETICAL" possibility there is such a thing. In my opinion this possibility is so low it approaches 1/infinity so the Lim(1/infinity) = 0.
I therefore refuse to be labeled as agnostic, because that implies a partial belief that the possibility of these supernatural phenomena may really exist, and I definately do not, 1/infinity reads 0 to me. I do not care what a particular dictionary says, you now have my official interpretation.
Cheers
In all the years I have watched, every single apple simply drops to the ground. I admit on philosophical grounds I cannot deny the possibility exists for a suborbital apple, but the chances of it occurring are so minuscule that it should be, for all practical purposes, considered pure fantasy. My practical experience, commonsense and the books I have read also tend to back up this premise.
As far as I am concerned I am an atheist denying all supernatural non-physical phenomena as a hoax, or honest misinterpretation of observed phenomena, and a good example of the placebo effect, even though I know that mathematically there is always a "THEORETICAL" possibility there is such a thing. In my opinion this possibility is so low it approaches 1/infinity so the Lim(1/infinity) = 0.
I therefore refuse to be labeled as agnostic, because that implies a partial belief that the possibility of these supernatural phenomena may really exist, and I definately do not, 1/infinity reads 0 to me. I do not care what a particular dictionary says, you now have my official interpretation.
Cheers
Spoken like a true blue non-agnostic Aussie atheist, who, according to the responses of others in this thread who claim to be, but are not true atheists, must be seen as one of a dying breed.
Maybe I'm missing some profound nuance here, but Tiapan's definition of atheism is the exact same thing many, including myself, have described here... except for the Australian part. Why is his description a "true blue" atheist and the others are agnostics?
rageoftyrael
Veritas
It seems that Tiapan does not allow for the possibility he could be wrong, or am i wrong?
Dunno. I use a similar analogy to Tiapan's: I recognize that there is a very, very small but definitely non-zero chance that while I'm swimming in the ocean, an island of salt will crystallize beneath me and carry me out to sea. Even though I recognize that this may happen theoretically, I don't carry a lunch in a waterproof bag with me when I go swimming in the ocean. My attitude toward deities is similar; for all practical purposes, I conduct my life as if they definitely do not exist.
rageoftyrael
Veritas
yeah, i agree. that is pretty much where i'm at, based on how you explain it. Still makes me agnostic though, doesn't it?
rageoftyrael
Veritas
okay, so are you still acting as if having any doubt whatosever keeps you from being a true atheist, s-word?
Yyup!
And I see that you agree with me as shown in your response to 9-10ths Penquin who claims to be an atheist even though he believes in the possibilty, be it minimal, of the existence of God.
quote=rageoftyrael; yeah, i agree. that is pretty much where i'm at, based on how you explain it. Still makes me agnostic though, doesn't it?
Welcome aboard the truth wagon.
rageoftyrael
Veritas
S-word. You have no idea what you are talking about. Just stop replying. You are not right, and arguing with atheists about the definition of the word that they define themselves with is, to put it plainly, stupid. If i start arguing with you about the definitions of your religion, i don't think you'd appreciate it. So do us a favor and stifle yourself.
DarkSun
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rageoftyrael
Veritas
Darksun, i believe there was sarcasm in that phrasing.
And why would I wish to stifle myself on this religious debate? I would be doing you no favour in so doing, but rather It would be a disservice to you as someone must get you off that fence before you do irrepairable damage to your nether regions. How uncomfortable must it be, stuck there with one foot in atheist territory and the other in agnostic?
You may belong to the religion of "Atheistic-Agnostism" which encompasses both the Atheist religion and the Agnostic religion, but this would mean that you are neither a true atheist, nor a true agnostic. I know that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about or what religion that you belong to and are simply bumbling about in the mists of your mind, but one day perhaps, if people like myself help to guide you on the right path, you may find "Who You Are" or that singularity who is the beginning and the end and has become 'who you are,' in its ascent to the ends of this cycle of universal activity.
rageoftyrael
Veritas
Why should you stifle yourself? Oh, because you have essentially been proven wrong in your assumption on how atheism is defined, but just won't shut up. I'm getting so tired of smug christians thinking they know more about atheism than i do. I don't need to learn a single thing about atheism from you, s-word. The fact that you think i do speaks volumes. You arguing with me about atheism would be like me arguing with a priest about how a particular verse is meant to be taken. It would be pointless, cause i don't care, but i could most definitely do it, and be less obnoxious than you are being while i'm at it. Either way, you are to arrogant to just shut up, so i'm going to ignore anything else you have to say about atheism, because you don't know squat. You've proven that repeatedly.
Does the morality of a person who abandons their christian belief to become an agnostic, which belief they also abandon to become an atheist, change in the transition from theist to atheist? Or does the morality of an atheist who abandons their belief to become an agnostic which belief they also abandon to become a christian, change in the transition from atheist to theist?
rageoftyrael
Veritas
Who says their morality changes? That is a bull argument. Atheists are at least as moral as christians, prove otherwise.
No one said that their morality changes with the transition from theist to atheist, or from atheist to theist, I simply put forward the question, “Does the morality of a person who abandons their christian belief to become an agnostic, which belief they also abandon to become an atheist, change in the transition from theist to atheist? Or does the morality of an atheist who abandons their belief to become an agnostic which belief they also abandon to become a christian, change in the transition from atheist to theist?”
By the way, this thread is entitled, “Why are Christians morally inferior to atheists?” which statement infers that atheists are morally superior to Christians, if, as you believe and have so stated, “Atheists are at least as moral as christians,” then go and bulge it up those atheist mates of yours who disagree with you and get off my back mugins.
Besides, I thought that you said that you were going to ignore any future statements made by myself, but then you don’t know whether you’re Arthur or Marther do you? Who can debate with someone who doesn’t know whether they’re an agnostic or an atheist? Go away son and come back when you’ve grown a brain and can then decide what and who you are.
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Going back to the OP, I don't think most Christians are particularly weak in the moral sense (although there are certainly some that are, sometimes shamefully so).
However, a significant percentage of same, possibly a majority, seems to believe that they would be quite immoral if they had no believe in God.
Most of them are probably wrong in this regard, to the extent that it is possible to speculate anyway (for people don't often choose or have the means to change whether they believe in God or not).
However, a significant percentage of same, possibly a majority, seems to believe that they would be quite immoral if they had no believe in God.
Most of them are probably wrong in this regard, to the extent that it is possible to speculate anyway (for people don't often choose or have the means to change whether they believe in God or not).