Why are Christians so judgmental?

[Immortal Awakened]

Ok....that's two.

im staying with strictly biblical sources; and actually, i had referenced the extermination of six ethnicities which are supported by bible-based christians

I believe I listed many more cases of genocide by non-Christians

and why have you done this? youre arguing against a case that i didnt make; and youve failed to define what a christian is, despite my previous requests; seems simply avoidant to me; my honest guess is that you dont actually know what a christian is

and oh, btw....Moses and Joshua were not Christians.

actually moses and joshua prophesied of a coming christ; and were directed by the christian god to perform mass genocide; and christ reinforced the veracity of the scriptures of moses; yours is a common misconception

Please list the "christian genocides" you mentioned earlier.

i had referenced three, but you had failed to acknowledge them; thats on you; youre not satisfied with what constitutes a christian, after your christian judgments, remember?

Hitler being raised catholic does not mean he was either catholic and/or a christian.

according to your projected christian judgments, but not according to the catholic church; you dont get to decide for people who is a christian and who is not; the catholic church acknowledges hitler to be a christian on the basis of his christian baptism; why wouldnt hitler be a true christian? he was very pro-genocide as bible-based christians are; are you simply harboring your own pre-concieved definition of christianity which youve failed to share or support?

His behavior would suggest he was neither.

how so? christians are pro-genocide in the biblical context

Weak link to "christian" genocide.

in your perspective; perhaps you simply turn a blind eye to the catholic church's stance that hitler was a christian on the basis of his catholic baptism

You don't like that my numbers

which specific numbers are you referring to?; i find it rather crass to evaluate the degree of the expendability of human life with numerical comparisons, as youve ventured to present

and yet you're using the same argument for why "christian" genocide is somehow more?

i have never referenced that christian genocide is more than nonchristian genocide; youre simply misrepresenting me in the absence of direct quotations after the fashion of your own dualistic pretexts; i'll ask you again: where have i stated this? up to this point, youre only placing your own pretextual twist on my statements, in the absence of direct quotations, to argue against a case that i was never making; youre arguing against a belief that i dont even hold; go back and reread the texts

Can't have it both ways.

you just seem confused over what we're arguing at this point; why would i be concerned about nonchristian genocides in the first place?

The listing of other genocides was to show that christians do not have a monopoly on it

so? i never asserted that they did; why would you argue a case which is totally irrelevant to this thread?; rather, christians have a monopoly on bible-based hellfire and brimstone judgments, while simultaneously having a biblical history of mass genocide; now read that statement carefully, and dont project; further, please remember that you are unqualified in your judgments to decide who is a christian or not, even though you seem to be fond of making those judgments on others

and, while religion may have played a part in the ones I mentioned,

moreso the core motivating factor after their judgmental god concepts

they weren't about christian's murdering people over religion.

which means that youve simply veered away from my original arguments, in the absence of direct quotations on the matter

If you come up with some substantial debate material,

unfortunately, youre simply trying to coax me into debate about a belief that i do not even hold; youve veered away from my original statements and are attempting to debate against a position that ive not even made; and youve veered away from defining what a christian is, despite my previous requests

I'd be happy to continue the debate,

at this point, were not even in alignment about what were debating; youve wildly veered into the topic of nonchristian genocide, when i had made no comparative reference to it in the first place

but it appears you're playing around with doublespeak

seems more like youve interpreted my statements after your own dualistic pretexts; afterwhich you began arguing againt a case which i never held or presented in the first place; thats what can happen when you yourself present a case without the contextual provision of original quotes

and contributing no new material so

actually, i had provided new material, but you did not acknowledge it; thats two very different things; and youve failed to actually define what a christian is, as per my previous requests

.... b-bye.

lolol, okay run; have it your way; running from the material, i see; and avoidant of defining what a christian is; honestly, if you wish to debate a topic, its ideal that you first come into agreement with what that topic is; as it is, youve simply attempted to argue agaisnt a case that i didnt make, nor do i even believe in; this is a common misrepresentation tactic by many psuedo-debaters, and simply strikes me as heady; youre better off discussing the issues at hand, instead of making up your own; i can see how it may be easy for you to rely upon your knowledge base, to reinforce your sense of debate security; but its moreso ideal to focus on the actual statements said in the context of the thread, versus simply placing your own dualistic pretexts them upon them, as youve done; practically, youve only debated against a ghost that youve created in your imagination at this point

 

[Sunstone]

It seems a stretch and absurd to me to call Christians "pro genocide."

 

[Immortal Awakened]

No I do not obey religious leadership. I do not believe in religions. The one true God, of course.

and specifically what or who is the one true god?

 

[jewscout]

i do not believe joshua or moses to be christian either

he was very pro-genocide as bible-based christians are

i find this to be a ridiculous and baseless accusation

please remember that you are unqualified in your judgments to decide who is a christian or not, even though you seem to be fond of making those judgments on others

and you seem to be fond of being just as judgemental as those you condemn, proving that PEOPLE are judgemental, not strictly christians

 

[Immortal Awakened]

It would be judgmental to make the determination as to whether someone is a true christian or not.

yet youve projected this determination on hitler, who is espoused by the catholic church as being a true christian, on the basis of his catholic baptism

I don't know what's in their hearts and it's not my place.

and yet youre making these judgments on people; why?

I am a new testament christian in that I follow the teachings of Christ who said the two greatest commandments were to love others as you love yourself and to honor God and place no other gods before Him.

christ also reinforced the veracity of the old testament teachings of moses, which apparently you dont acknowledge; you seem to pick and choose what portions of the new testament you wish to believe in; and which teachings of christ that you prefer over other teachings of christ

Few, as a matter of fact, when compared to those found in our own history books over just the last 100 years.

and why are you making this comparison? is there a purpose for it? does such a comparison simply alleviate your sense of conscience when surveying biblical mass genocide?

I believe that man wrote the bible with his own agenda

new testament or old testament? or both?

and while the truth is there,

which truth are you referring to? are you referring to the existence of a fiery hell?

it can only be found through prayer and a right heart.

so are you claiming that you have a divinely-inspired interpretive capacity, when it comes to bible text? even though you dont believe the text itself to be inerrantly inspired?

Yep, the New Testament.

and do you see the new testament as being in conflict with the old testament? or are they rather aligned?

 

[Malus 12:9]

i do not believe joshua or moses to be christian either

I don't either We agree on something JS :areyoucra

The first known usage of the term Christianity can be found in the NT of the Bible, in Acts 11:26, way after Moses time, lol.

 

[gtrsgrls]

Why are Christians so judgmental? In my personal experiences, Christians are very judgmental. Just curious on your thoughts. Have you ever seen this before?

Yes,a lot of Christians are judgemental.But just because some of them are that doesn't mean that they all are.I'm not!I think a lot of people who claim to be Christians aren't really Christians at all.

 

[Immortal Awakened]

I'm on my way out of town on business so don't have time to go look up the quote,

have a good trip

but there is a quote in the new testament about taking our brothers and sisters "in christ" in hand when they stray.

sounds like a very loose paraphrase of a verse somewhere; id be glad to hear a direct quote

It's not up to you to tell a christian they are straying,

no, its up to the christian to tell me that im straying, as is a common christian perspective

if you are not a christian. It's not up to a christian to tell you that you are straying,

then whats the whole "preach the gospel" thing about? youre a christian who doesnt believe in peaching the gospel, thereby informing them of the impending hellfire that awaits all souls whove strayed from a god?

if you do not profess to be a christian.

i thought that you didnt acknowledge many christian professions? you believe that they are false

There is a difference in spreading the word of God and judging,

please clarify what differentiation that youre making; dont you judge whether a person is a christian or not, prior to spreading the gospel message?

but again I don't have time right now to be more specific.

yes, i remember that you had asserted that you werent going to debate me; before and afterwhich you wrote several posts debating me; perhaps in a few days

It has been an interesting conversation

try ridiculous

but one I'm done with

you said that several posts ago, and then wrote several more

since it appears we aren't making any new headway.

thats because you couldnt seem to align with a mutually agreed debate topic, and began pulling data from your knowledge base, which was unrelated to my original statements in the context of this thread

I'll look forward to your other posts on the RF. Be well.

likewise

 

[jonny]

Here's my judgement - this is the most worthless thread I've ever read on RF. I can't believe it's gone on for 18 pages. :banghead3

 

[Immortal Awakened]

After reading through this entire thread i have come to one conclusion.
People are Judgemental

i presented that very early on; youre just arriving at this conclusion now?

Immortal, the fact that you are passing judgement based on your own personal experience and nothing else

actually, ive passed judgment on a combination of my own personal experience and by surveying the acts of atrocity in the bible, which bible-believing christians support

shows your own act of judging people and their faith.

and is this good or bad? actually, my judgments are also based upon the texts of the bible, that are affirmed by bible-based christians

every walk of life, every faith (or non-faith), every kind of people have judgemental individuals within them,

i stated that all people are judgmental quite a while back; youre just arriving at this now?

it is not exclusively or predominantly any one group at all.

however, certain religions and/or thought systems are inherently more judgmental than others; thereby justifying or amplifying the natural inclinations that we all have within us

the reason that i dont embrace a god concept is largely because the god of the bible as represented by christians is simply too violent for me; when a christian suggests to me that i should believe in their god, its like telling me to align my thoughts with the violence of the god of the bible

please reference the following verses

1. here we see that the bible sometimes defines sin as a racial ethnicity, thereby justifying genocide in the biblical context; people are not deemed here to be sinners on the basis of individual actions, but rather on the basis of ethnicity or corrupt blood

1 Samuel 15
18 and the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, 'Go and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are exterminated.'
(NAS95)

2. and here we see that the bible illustratively likens sin to black sin; if you ever want to give an illustration of the bible's concept of sin to seekers, just reference this verse to them, and tell them that evil is much like the color of black skin (yikes, does the verse really say that? yes, it does); we're staying biblical here:

Jeremiah 13
23 "Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil.
(NAS95)

3. and here we see that special blessings come upon those who dash little babies against rocks, after a nation's armed forces have been subdued; this is another genocide reference:

Psalms 137
9 How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.
(NAS95)

i am hesitant to align my thoughts with the god of the bible for these reasons; it just breeds too much violence

stop and talk with some of the members of our forum and i assure you that you will find this more and more true.

this forum does not provide an exclusive experience of what you assert

 

[Quiddity]

Here's my judgement - this is the most worthless thread I've ever read on RF. I can't believe it's gone on for 18 pages. :banghead3

I echo that...:areyoucra

~Victor

 

[Immortal Awakened]

If that were true, then yes, the odds would be 50/50. But this isn't the case. So statistically, it just so happens the judgemtnal people happen to be christians - NOT the christians happen to be judgemental.

thanks for your theory; i dont buy into it though; i wasnt suggesting a vote on the matter, but thanks for the opinion; i disagree with it

 

[Immortal Awakened]

No. Everybody judges, but you come into contact most with the majority because, well, THEY'RE THE MAJORITY!

then why reference the majority? is it the majority who judges, or is it everybody? whats the majority got to do with it then? why mention the majority?

 

[Immortal Awakened]

I agree it seems to be human nature not just one religious group or the other.

agreed

Religion just gives a person another scale to judge someone on.

religions typically offer some very strict scales by which to judge people; sometimes even on an eternal scale; certain religions may even amplify a person's propensity to judge others

The trick is not to prejudge someone

i dont believe that such is possible

let that persons character speak for it's self.

by what religious scale?

 

[Immortal Awakened]

That's a good point; we are all judgemental - however much we like to think of ourselves as open minded. Everyone of us has an opinion on most subjects.

Perhaps the trick lies in recognizing one's judgemental stances, and make every effort not to let it come into play in society.

very true

 

[Aqualung]

This guy is thick!

 

[jewscout]

i presented that very early on; youre just arriving at this conclusion now?

if you have presented that early on then why continue to condemn only christianity.

please reference the following verses

ok

1 Samuel 15
18 and the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, 'Go and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are exterminated.'
(NAS95)

do you know who the Amalekites were and what they did that G-d would command their destruction?

2. and here we see that the bible illustratively likens sin to black sin; if you ever want to give an illustration of the bible's concept of sin to seekers, just reference this verse to them, and tell them that evil is much like the color of black skin (yikes, does the verse really say that? yes, it does); we're staying biblical here:

Jeremiah 13
23 "Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil.
(NAS95)

staying biblical? please, you are quoting this verse out of context to serve your own ends. Do you know in what context Jeremiah is saying this?

3. and here we see that special blessings come upon those who dash little babies against rocks, after a nation's armed forces have been subdued; this is another genocide reference:

Psalms 137
9 How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.
(NAS95)

part of a psalm regarding the destruction of Jerusalem and the exhile
you don't think a few people were a little upset about that when this was set down?

i am hesitant to align my thoughts with the god of the bible for these reasons; it just breeds too much violence

fine, if that's your opinion, then i don't think anyone here at RF will try to convince you to do otherwise. To my knowledge, no one here has yet, have they?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

the reason that i dont embrace a god concept is largely because the god of the bible as represented by christians is simply too violent for me; ...

If by "embrace" you mean "accept as true", that is an unreasonable criteria.

 

[Immortal Awakened]

Yes they are. EVERYBODY is judging you. Some people just don't care enough to tell you what their judgemnts are.

actually, not everyone is judging me, because not everyone is focused on me

I bet that most people don't just walk up to you and say, "My, you're a retard!"

yikes, where did that come from? seems judgmental; is that a subconscious projection of your individual thought system?

It's probably only when you actually engage them in a conversation (probably many of them like this one) that people actually start telling you what they think of you.

no, actually ive never gotten a wild judgment like that projected at me in a conversation that i recall; i prefer not to talk to people if they are going to start projecting

That's becasue MOST people call themselves christian.

thats up to them

Because the average person judges and is constantly making judgemnts.

its an average thing to judge, but some judgments are greater than others in their intensity and effects

Teh religioun doesn't apmlify. People like that usually amplify the religoin

naw, it works both ways; thanks for your theory though

Yes. The majority always judges the minority, and the minorty always judges the majority.

and whose judgments do the greater damage?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So tell us, Immortal Awakened [sic], why are you so judgemental?