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Why are Evengelists worried about me??

madhatter85

Transhumanist
I had someone tell me when i was trying to come home from gamestop, that if Mormons are right then that means she's going to go to heaven anwyays, but if we are wrong then we are going to hell because that woudl make her right. and then she called out as i left chuckling to myself "I'm concerned for you!"

my question why would she be concerned for me? Mormons are by far the most active in doing good for people and believing in Jesus Christ out of probably anyone who is not a zealot.

I mean think about it, why woudl she be concerned for me? according to the envangelists doctrines we woudl go to heaven as well, we meet all the neccisary requirements and then some.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
I had someone tell me when i was trying to come home from gamestop, that if Mormons are right then that means she's going to go to heaven anwyays, but if we are wrong then we are going to hell because that woudl make her right. and then she called out as i left chuckling to myself "I'm concerned for you!"

my question why would she be concerned for me? Mormons are by far the most active in doing good for people and believing in Jesus Christ out of probably anyone who is not a zealot.

I mean think about it, why woudl she be concerned for me? according to the envangelists doctrines we woudl go to heaven as well, we meet all the neccisary requirements and then some.

Because the Jesus you believe in is different than hers.

Her Jesus: God, the Creator of all who came to the world in the flesh to save those who believe his grace is sufficient.

Your Jesus: The first product of a sexual union between God and one of his many spirit baby-making wives, the brother of Satan, who came to this earth as the result of a sexual union between God and the Virgin Mary and who died on the cross (but LDS don't accept the cross) and offered grace only to those who work for it because they don't think Christ's sacrifice was enough.


Get it now, dude?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I had someone tell me when i was trying to come home from gamestop, that if Mormons are right then that means she's going to go to heaven anwyays, but if we are wrong then we are going to hell because that woudl make her right. and then she called out as i left chuckling to myself "I'm concerned for you!"

my question why would she be concerned for me? Mormons are by far the most active in doing good for people and believing in Jesus Christ out of probably anyone who is not a zealot.

I mean think about it, why woudl she be concerned for me? according to the envangelists doctrines we woudl go to heaven as well, we meet all the neccisary requirements and then some.

I just pee on their shoes.:foot::yes:
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
I had someone tell me when i was trying to come home from gamestop, that if Mormons are right then that means she's going to go to heaven anwyays, but if we are wrong then we are going to hell because that woudl make her right. and then she called out as i left chuckling to myself "I'm concerned for you!"

my question why would she be concerned for me? Mormons are by far the most active in doing good for people and believing in Jesus Christ out of probably anyone who is not a zealot.

I mean think about it, why woudl she be concerned for me? according to the envangelists doctrines we woudl go to heaven as well, we meet all the neccisary requirements and then some.

What, you want a pat on the back?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
my question why would she be concerned for me? Mormons are by far the most active in doing good for people and believing in Jesus Christ out of probably anyone who is not a zealot.
Because in that system Salvation is not about good works but correct belief, if you don't believe correct you are not saved.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
What, you want a pat on the back?

I'll be glad to do it. Evangelicals are an irritating pebble in our shoe - so I sympathize with a fellow person who has to stop and shake it out.
 

Luke_17:2

Fundamental Bible-thumper
Are we talking about evangelists as in televangelists, and the annoying travelling ones who think they're God incarnate?

Or are we talking about evangelicals?
 

Aasimar

Atheist
I had someone tell me when i was trying to come home from gamestop, that if Mormons are right then that means she's going to go to heaven anwyays, but if we are wrong then we are going to hell because that woudl make her right. and then she called out as i left chuckling to myself "I'm concerned for you!"

my question why would she be concerned for me? Mormons are by far the most active in doing good for people and believing in Jesus Christ out of probably anyone who is not a zealot.

I mean think about it, why woudl she be concerned for me? according to the envangelists doctrines we woudl go to heaven as well, we meet all the neccisary requirements and then some.

Well, as I understand Mormon doctrine from my friends who are Mormon, there are varying "Degrees of Glory" (I think that's what there called, consisting of "Terrestrial" "Telestial" and Celestial heaven right? And then there's outer darkness. Now from what I've been told Outer Darkness can only be where you go if you absolutely know God existed and still rejected him (I.e. only rebelious angels go there, no human could actually go right after they died.) In mainstream christianity, if you believe wrong, you can go to hell. I've never heard hell mentioned in the Mormon doctrine I've been exposed to. So basically it's like a modified Pascal's wager.

If Mormonism is right, we both go to heaven (Varying degrees, but whatever) But if Mainstream Christianity is right you go to hell and I don't want you to go to hell. So it makes sense (In a twisted religious sense of the term "sense") that she would be more concerned about you then you about her.

Imagine if you and a friend were about to jump off a cliff, you thought there were 2 things you could land on, a tower of pillows or a vat of Jell-O. But your friend thought there were 2 things, a vat of Jell-O or sharp pointy rocks. You wouldn't be terribly concerned, but she would.
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
Hi!

Perhaps the concern may be that one may begin trusting in their own goodness, deeds for God, church, etc. instead of simply trusting Christ and forgetting they were freely justified from all things, relying on a religious system instead of, or maybe in addition to Christ?

Cheers!
 

Luke_17:2

Fundamental Bible-thumper
Mr. Peanut is quite correct.

We are concerned because you must trust Jesus when you are saved by grace through faith -and in that alone.
 

Fluffy

A fool
Are we talking about evangelists as in televangelists, and the annoying travelling ones who think they're God incarnate?

Or are we talking about evangelicals?

In the UK, we don't differentiate between evangelicals and evangelists because all evangelicals promote evangelism. What is the difference in the USA?
 

Aasimar

Atheist
In the UK, we don't differentiate between evangelicals and evangelists because all evangelicals promote evangelism. What is the difference in the USA?

Televangelists reach a much larger audience and usually draw in absurd amounts of money in donations. Evangelicals just spread the Gospel My roommate is an Evangelical Christian, for instance, though she does not try to spread the Gospel to me for obvious reasons. Maybe she will try again later.
 

Ozzie

Well-Known Member
Televangelists reach a much larger audience and usually draw in absurd amounts of money in donations. Evangelicals just spread the Gospel My roommate is an Evangelical Christian, for instance, though she does not try to spread the Gospel to me for obvious reasons. Maybe she will try again later.
Televangelists reach absurd amounts of donations from spreading the Gospel to recipients like your roommate. Pyramid donation/selling?
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
All Christians have a duty to spread the word of God.
so called evangelists seem to major on that, to the detriment of all else including service and good works.
Any one who believes that works are not important to salvation, and consistently fails in doing any...
is clearly not living to the standard set by Jesus.
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
HI!

Most or many televangelists are in it for the money. Real evangelists have the gift of evangelism, that is they focus on preaching to the saving of souls: And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

While works are important evidence of salvation, (Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.) it should be made clear that salvation is not obtained by works, but by faith:

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Cheers!
 

Luke_17:2

Fundamental Bible-thumper
All Christians have a duty to spread the word of God.

Really agree with this part of terry's post...

...that bit about works, though, not so good....

I, once again, agree with Mr. Peanut in regards to works.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Are we talking about evangelists as in televangelists, and the annoying travelling ones who think they're God incarnate?

Or are we talking about evangelicals?

No, it's quite clear the OP is talking about evangelicals. And apparently madhatter85 feels smug enough that his Jesus mojo is superior to that of the other's Jesus mojo.
 

Luke_17:2

Fundamental Bible-thumper
Okay. Because, to me. evangelists refers to those travelling people, wholesome or not, who make evangelism they're ministry.

And evangelicals, once again to me, means anyone who believes in evangelization.
 
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