Why are men denied sexual pleasures by religions?

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's not what I meant. I didn't say anything about women being responsible for rape due to their way of dressing or that they should not be given any rights.

Women are not "given rights" men and women "have" the same rights. ( they are not taken from men and given to women)

In the country which I live in, men are afraid to get married because the laws of the democratic country in which I live give women the right to take pretty much everything her husband owns. Women cry out feminism and the country keeps getting tougher on men who have done nothing wrong.

In a majority of democratic countries If men and women can not agree on a divorce settlement the courts decide on an equitable split of the "Shared" property of the marriage. This is not an attack on men, in a marriage things are owned jointly.
In some countries prenuptial agreements are lawful.

So this in turn forces men to look down on marriage (which it does) and find other means of fulfilling their desires which includes rape. Marriage at a young age is looked down upon also by a society which encourages teens to 'have fun' first before they settle down.

marriage is not about ownership and rights... No man is "forced" to do anything, married or not. "Fulfilling ones desires" is not a right. Rape is always illegal and can never be justified.

I have spoken to a lot of friends (all males) who have been through divorces and all say that their wives have the power to take everything from them, they first take the kids and everything else follows after that, including their wealth, house and part of their weekly wage.

As I explained above, these things are shared in a marriage. it is perfectly reasonable for them to be legally divided on divorce.
Marriage should not be entered into as a temporary partnership. On divorce each is treated equally.

I'm not saying that I am against the father having to pay child support, I'm just saying that women are given way too much power on this matter which in turn has forced men to do things that they normally wouldn't.

Women have no more power than men in these matters.
Men are not forced to do anything by this. If they chose to break the law it is their own choice.

And like I said, the rapist is to be held accountable for his crime.

That is a strange afterthought....after all you have said.

 

[haribol]

Anger and power are believed, by many academics to be the primary motivation for most rapes not sexual desire.

If someone is not there for the desiring and when fulfillment becomes inaccessible or social dogmas and stigmas puts restraints on the individual it is the desire, my friend, pure and unsullied desire that leads to most rapes.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

If someone is not there for the desiring and when fulfillment becomes inaccessible or social dogmas and stigmas puts restraints on the individual it is the desire, my friend, pure and unsullied desire that leads to most rapes.

Utterly objectifying and reprehensible.

Please stop suggesting that the best way that people can stop getting raped is to make themselves more accessible. I got a better idea....how about people stop raping others?

 

[haribol]

Repression is dangerous and social and cultural and religious dogmas and taboos are perilous elements. Sex is a fulfillment in which both sexes can fulfill themselves through understand. It must be given an outlet a channel not a blockage.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Repression is dangerous and social and cultural and religious dogmas and taboos are perilous elements. Sex is a fulfillment in which both sexes can fulfill themselves through understand. It must be given an outlet a channel not a blockage.

This is the same logic applied to societies in support of marriage as the one-and-only-solution to solve "burning desires". Let's tell everybody to get married so they don't rape other people, without the slightest consideration that rape occurs within marriage, too. Of course, this was also under the assumption that women were expected to do their "wifely duties" at their husband's wills.

Expecting human beings to be more sexually accessible to other human beings in the hopes that it would deter criminal behavior is a dangerous perspective.

 

[haribol]

This is the same logic applied to societies in support of marriage as the one-and-only-solution to solve "burning desires". Let's tell everybody to get married so they don't rape other people, without the slightest consideration that rape occurs within marriage, too. Of course, this was also under the assumption that women were expected to do their "wifely duties" at their husband's wills.

Expecting human beings to be more sexually accessible to other human beings in the hopes that it would deter criminal behavior is a dangerous perspective.

It seems dangerous looking at it from our conditioned mindset. Let us dig into the deeper realm of reality. It is a question of fulfilling in a natural way. When acts of sex happen first it becomes a painful experience for the female and that is why even in the animal kingdom the male seems rather aggressive but in a while she becomes tamed and obeying. There is no dominant and dominated. The joy out of the act will become equated.

 

[crossfire]

It seems dangerous looking at it from our conditioned mindset. Let us dig into the deeper realm of reality. It is a question of fulfilling in a natural way. When acts of sex happen first it becomes a painful experience for the female and that is why even in the animal kingdom the male seems rather aggressive but in a while she becomes tamed and obeying. There is no dominant and dominated. The joy out of the act will become equated.

Actually, in the animal kingdom, males are often more showy (different than aggressive) in order to attract the females. Female animals are often more aggressive than the males, especially if they have young ones. (Female lionesses do the hunting, male black widow spiders often become lunch for the female after mating, etc.) The females are the ones who determine the time for mating and are more often the ones who choose their mates.

 

[haribol]

Actually, in the animal kingdom, males are often more showy (different than aggressive) in order to attract the females. Female animals are often more aggressive than the males, especially if they have young ones. (Female lionesses do the hunting, male black widow spiders often become lunch for the female after mating, etc.) The females are the ones who determine the time for mating and are more often the ones who choose their mates.

It is really interesting and the arrangement that goes there naturally and instinctively, spontaneously. Why should it be so cumbersome and inarticulate amongst us. Maybe we are too much programmed and the way out is, I think, deprogramming. That how it can be done is a matter of investigation. The objective is to make lovemaking is an amorous and enjoyable activity not of raping.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It seems dangerous looking at it from our conditioned mindset. Let us dig into the deeper realm of reality. It is a question of fulfilling in a natural way. When acts of sex happen first it becomes a painful experience for the female and that is why even in the animal kingdom the male seems rather aggressive but in a while she becomes tamed and obeying. There is no dominant and dominated. The joy out of the act will become equated.

Say what?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Both partners need to be "In the mood" for sex to become more than a ritual.

 

[Me Myself]

It is really interesting and the arrangement that goes there naturally and instinctively, spontaneously. Why should it be so cumbersome and inarticulate amongst us. Maybe we are too much programmed and the way out is, I think, deprogramming. That how it can be done is a matter of investigation. The objective is to make lovemaking is an amorous and enjoyable activity not of raping.

Its not inaccurate at all. We have it pretty much the same way. Women choose mate most of e times, and just like in the animal Kingdom, some exceptions occur when the male stops giving a €€€€ and rapes the female.

I now axtually wonder if rape in human society is more or is less common than in other species where it happens.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Its not inaccurate at all. We have it pretty much the same way. Women choose mate most of e times, and just like in the animal Kingdom, some exceptions occur when the male stops giving a €€€€ and rapes the female.

I now axtually wonder if rape in human society is more or is less common than in other species where it happens.

My guess is the same comparison with infanticide, which we do see in the animal kingdom, but don't see at the same rate in humans.

Do male animals have recourse when rape occurs?

 

[Me Myself]

My guess is the same comparison with infanticide, which we do see in the animal kingdom, but don't see at the same rate in humans.

Do male animals have recourse when rape occurs?

Do mammals also inccur in infanticide?

Sorry the ignorance, I googled "recourse" but I am still not sure what that sentence meant.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Welcome back nnmartin.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Do mammals also inccur in infanticide?

Sorry the ignorance, I googled "recourse" but I am still not sure what that sentence meant.

Recourse is a little like a remedy. Meaning, does the animal kingdom outside of the human species try to deter rape, or to seek a remedy/punishment/repayment when and if it occurs?

 

[crossfire]

Recourse is a little like a remedy. Meaning, does the animal kingdom outside of the human species try to deter rape, or to seek a remedy/punishment/repayment when and if it occurs?

Excellent question!

 

[Me Myself]

Recourse is a little like a remedy. Meaning, does the animal kingdom outside of the human species try to deter rape, or to seek a remedy/punishment/repayment when and if it occurs?

Not that I am aware of. Maybe? If it happened I assumed it would happen with mammals, but I dont know if it happens with any species besides our own.

Do you think it does?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Not that I am aware of. Maybe? If it happened I assumed it would happen with mammals, but I dont know if it happens with any species besides our own.

Do you think it does?

I'm don't think you're getting the point of my question, MM. It's rhetorical.

Read the OP again, the re-read my above question about any attempts to deter rape outside of our species. See if you can find any connection between the OP's argument in favor of accessibility to sex, the justifications given for rape, and the prevalence of rape in non-human species compared to ours.

 

[crossfire]

Recourse is a little like a remedy. Meaning, does the animal kingdom outside of the human species try to deter rape, or to seek a remedy/punishment/repayment when and if it occurs?

Yes, it does occur. http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/anth169/punishment_in_animal_societies.pdf
See the last two paragraphs of pg 213 of paper journal page/pg 5 of the pdf. (It is a photoscan of the actual paper journal, so I can't copy and paste.)

 

[Me Myself]

I dont justify rape, but rape is obviously about sex at least in some cases. (Even inowt cases I'd argue)

Havent been able to find much online besides feminist sources though. I found an article from someone saying has a PhD saying that in most case scenarios it doesnt seem to be about domination but about sexual desire and a lack of personal resraint, responsibility and understanding of the damage it does to the victim. I didnt quote it cause I didnt find much anyways.

Yeah I guess I wasnt getting your rethoric, mostly because my questions were indeed curiosity.

I assume we have more rapes aother mammals than rape because we could have more reasons for doing so, between them, dominance. Then again I find it naive to think it is the only reason it ever happens.

You seem to think at if a human doesnt have sympathy for someone s/he found sexually attractive , sees itself capable of rape and does not believe s/he will face consecuences, while having no moral principle stopping it from the rape, s/ he wont do anything because... Its not about dominance?

Tere is obviously a sexual urge cponent with most scenarios.