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Why are people so quick to criticise the Catholic Church?

Spiderman

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Medicine mate.
Also where did I claim an entire continent was stupid or indeed ignorant? I said that sex education would perhaps differ in countries such as Africa. Indeed it differs in America, it seems. By state no less. That's hardly an indictment of an entire country's intelligence.
How dare you claim such a thing of me. I feel like I should challenge you to a duel for birsmirching my name like this. Lucky for you I'm just kidding you.
It is you perhaps that is allowing your imagination to run wild. I'm on strong medication, what's your excuse?
I didn't need sex Ed. People told me about STD's and how they spread in other conversations.

I assume people in Africa talk about these things.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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I didn't need sex Ed. People told me about STD's and how they spread in other conversations.

I assume people in Africa talk about these things.
That's the exact opposite of sex ed. In fact a portion of sex ed is usually set aside specifically to dispel myths, lies and misconceptions that other people tell you about STDs and indeed sex itself.
Also clearly you do need sex ed if you think wearing a condom magically makes you invulnerable to all STDs.
And of course people in Africa would talk about these things. That too is woefully inept when put up against actual legitimate Sex Ed.
 
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Spiderman

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That's the exact opposite of sex ed. In fact a portion of sex ed is usually set aside specifically to dispel myths, lies and misconceptions that other people tell you about STDs and indeed sex itself.
Also clearly you do need sex ed if you think wearing a condom magically makes you invulnerable to all STDs.
And of course people in Africa would talk about these things. That too is woefully inept when put up against actual legitimate Sx Ed.
I never thought wearing a condom made anyone invulnerable to STD's.
 

SomeRandom

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I never thought wearing a condom made anyone invulnerable to STD's.
You just said it didn't work because you got an STD while wearing one. Why make such a statement which would get you laughed out of a grade 9 health class in the first place then?
So let me ask you this. Honestly and truthfully. What are the ways in which you can catch various STDs?
 

SomeRandom

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How would you admend it?

Those priests went against their own doctrines when they commited crimes. In The Church, thats a mortal sin not venial. I mean, to be a priest now you have to have a criminal background check.

Priests arent forced to follow Church laws. Most do so because they are devoted-its something they want to do for christ.

The Church is already against breaking the law. What policies should they admend crimes than the religious laws they have already?
Well for starters I don't think a priest when confessing such a crime should be put near children ever again. I think that's what angers the public the most in the first place. You always hear of the Church merely moving the accused Priest around to different parishes, accumulating victims as they go. If I recall correctly that's what happened the last scandal, at least around here. That's probably not the best strategy.
I get that it's a sin and they are trying to balance law and church duties. But if the Royal Commision is anything to go on, merely allowing confessionals hasn't worked out the best. At least where I'm standing.
I'm not trying to blame them, really I'm not. It's a little hard not to, given how often they're in the headlines, so to speak.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You just said it didn't work because you got an STD while wearing one. Why make such a statement which would get you laughed out of a grade 9 health class in the first place then?
So let me ask you this. Honestly and truthfully. What are the ways in which you can catch various STDs?
I was saying, "they don't work" as an intentionally silly way of saying, they don't always achieve the desired results. But I don't need sex-ed to figure out why. It is fairly obvious imo why a condom sometimes doesn't provide the desired protection.

Sometimes it obviously does reduce certain risks, for obvious reasons, and should be used and available.

Even if condoms are handed out freely, many people won't wear them anyway.

A person can catch HIV from a blood transfusion or other exchanges of blood that are not sexual.

One theory is that a hunter in Africa cut up and ate an animal infected with the virus, or got blood in a cut , and that is how HIV began.

Anyway, I criticize the Catholic Church's stance on euthanasia. I think Euthanasia should be available to HIV patients, incurable cancer patients, Quadrapalegics, and other torturous conditions.
 
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Unveiled Artist

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Well for starters I don't think a priest when confessing such a crime should be put near children ever again. I think that's what angers the public the most in the first place. You always hear of the Church merely moving the accused Priest around to different parishes, accumulating victims as they go. If I recall correctly that's what happened the last scandal, at least around here. That's probably not the best strategy.
I get that it's a sin and they are trying to balance law and church duties. But if the Royal Commision is anything to go on, merely allowing confessionals hasn't worked out the best. At least where I'm standing.
I'm not trying to blame them, really I'm not. It's a little hard not to, given how often they're in the headlines, so to speak.

Ideally, every person sins. Its not like they (whoever) are moving priests because they are addicted to acohol; we know why its addictive. Cigaretes is another. Pedeophilia (attraction to children) isnt an addiction nor an action.

Molestation regardless if the person molest children or adults is an action and the latter a crime, the former is not. Attraction is not a prerequiste to molestation; so, I dont see how a priest would be at risk of "doing it again". One priests error tarnishes all the other priests who would never think of such a thing.

I understand having children not around those praticular priests; but, people are saying not arond priest in general?

How does the two relate?
Molestation isnt pedophilia. Attraction doesnt always lead to actions.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You just said it didn't work because you got an STD while wearing one. Why make such a statement which would get you laughed out of a grade 9 health class in the first place then?
So let me ask you this. Honestly and truthfully. What are the ways in which you can catch various STDs?
My apologies. I'll blame it on the meds.
I was just joking when I asked you "Have you been drinking?" or baked off refer! :blush: Just givin you a bad time. All in fun! :p

Regarding the spread of STD's, they can spread to the mouth, genital regions, and cause rashes, bumps, sores, worts, crabs, syphilis, and herpes, that a condom will often fail to protect one against, because they are found on areas that the condom doesn't cover. I'm assuming that's common knowledge.

These STD's don't require any penetration to catch. Scabies and certain STD's can be transmitted through no sexual contact whatsoever.

I was treated for Gonorrhea and Chlamydia. I'll admit, I foolishly believed that Condoms did a fairly thorough job of preventing such diseases. I got lucky.

I just remain celibate now and hope to die soon. Life involves too much drama, noise, disappointment, mistakes, humiliation, responsibilities, depression, hygiene responsibilities...I've had enough. I'm not even considering marriage or reproducing because of the drama, suffering, and responsibilities involved.

STD's can be spread from a parent to children sometimes causing serious birth defects. I think the victims should often be aborted. Yes, I don't agree with the Church when the Church promotes things that cause more suffering in our world, or when the Church condemns services that can comfortably put a tortured soul out of their misery!
 
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SomeRandom

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I was just joking when I asked you "Have you been drinking?" or baked off refer! :blush: Just givin you a bad time. All in fun! :p

Regarding the spread of STD's, they can spread to the mouth, genital regions, and cause rashes, bumps, sores, worts, crabs, syphilis, and herpes, that a condom will often fail to protect one against, because they are found on areas that the condom doesn't cover. I'm assuming that's common knowledge.

These STD's don't require any penetration to catch. Scabies and certain STD's can be transmitted through no sexual contact whatsoever.

I was treated for Gonorrhea and Chlamydia. I'll admit, I foolishly believed that Condoms did a fairly thorough job of preventing such diseases. I got lucky.

I just remain celibate now and hope to die soon. Life involves too much drama, noise, disappointment, mistakes, humiliation, responsibilities, depression, hygiene responsibilities...I've had enough. I'm not even considering marriage or reproducing because of the drama, suffering, and responsibilities involved.

STD's can be spread from a parent to children sometimes causing serious birth defects. I think the victims should often be aborted. Yes, I don't agree with the Church when the Church promotes things that cause more suffering in our world, or when the Church condemns services that can comfortably put a tortured soul out of their misery!
Ahh Pope, I should know better. I'm just super tired right now.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Ahh Pope, I should know better. I'm just super tired right now.
Were you using cough syrup recently?
Over here, cough syrup contains Dextromethorphan, which is in the same family as ketamine and PCP.

I would down two and eventually three bottles at once, and have out of body experiences where I believed delusions like i was the antichrist, and legions of spirits were watching me, speaking to me, and controlling my actions and thoughts.

Cough syrup used to be my drug of choice. I hope I never go back though. People call such junkies "syrup sippers, robo-trippers, DXM Devils". :laughing:

The delusions become dangerous though.
 

SomeRandom

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Ideally, every person sins. Its not like they (whoever) are moving priests because they are addicted to acohol; we know why its addictive. Cigaretes is another. Pedeophilia (attraction to children) isnt an addiction nor an action.

Molestation regardless if the person molest children or adults is an action and the latter a crime, the former is not. Attraction is not a prerequiste to molestation; so, I dont see how a priest would be at risk of "doing it again". One priests error tarnishes all the other priests who would never think of such a thing.

I understand having children not around those praticular priests; but, people are saying not arond priest in general?

How does the two relate?
Molestation isnt pedophilia. Attraction doesnt always lead to actions.
I know there's a difference. I was referring to a confession involving molestation, not mere attractions.
But I'm sorry, if there are children involved then extra precautions should be implemented. Although I agree having people just in general avoid them is a bit far.
And again moving around the accused has only increased victims. So clearly that doesn't work. All the Royal Commision has found is that so called pedophile priests get protected, moved around allowing them continuous access to children. That doesn't exactly give me very much confidence with regards to the CC and it's ability to protect it's congregation and fairly deal with priests who pose a threat.
Suffer not the children indeed.
 

SomeRandom

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Were you using cough syrup recently?
Over here, cough syrup contains Dextromethorphan, which is in the same family as ketamine and PCP.

I would down two and eventually three bottles at once, and have out of body experiences where I believed delusions like i was the antichrist, and legions of spirits were watching me, speaking to me, and controlling my actions and thoughts.

Cough syrup used to be my drug of choice. I hope I never go back though. People call such junkies "syrup sippers, robo-trippers, DXM Devils". :laughing:

The delusions become dangerous though.
I'm on cough syrup called Codene Licton. Only available through presription and designed to make me sleepy. So it's clearly doing its job haha.
Fascinating, I knew you could err "have some fun" with cough syrup. Didn't realise they were that strong!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I'm on cough syrup called Codene Licton. Only available through presription and designed to make me sleepy. So it's clearly doing its job haha.
Fascinating, I knew you could err "have some fun" with cough syrup. Didn't realise they were that strong!
You are lucky. I love Codene! :D

Dextromethorphan doesnt get you high when taken as prescribed. Its a dissassociative. Taking roughly 20 times the reccomrecom dose is what makes people "trip balls".

Ive known many fellow syrup sippers. It doesn't seem to be that uncommon among American junkies. :p
 

SomeRandom

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You are lucky. I love Codene! :D

Dextromethorphan doesnt get you high when taken as prescribed. Its a dissassociative. Taking roughly 20 times the reccomrecom dose is what makes people "trip balls".

Ive known many fellow syrup sippers. It doesn't seem to be that uncommon among American junkies. :p
Wow. I knew a few people who did it in High School.
Impressed me enough because cough syrup tastes awful lol
I don't feel lucky, Pope. Feel quite terrible in fact and the cough still keeps coming back. Might need another doctor visit. Ew.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I know there's a difference. I was referring to a confession involving molestation, not mere attractions.
But I'm sorry, if there are children involved then extra precautions should be implemented. Although I agree having people just in general avoid them is a bit far.
And again moving around the accused has only increased victims. So clearly that doesn't work. All the Royal Commision has found is that so called pedophile priests get protected, moved around allowing them continuous access to children. That doesn't exactly give me very much confidence with regards to the CC and it's ability to protect it's congregation and fairly deal with priests who pose a threat.
Suffer not the children indeed.

Id say just those priests. I dont know which Church policies that need changing. Unless the Church is going against their own doctrines.

I wondered, if I commited any number of federal crimes straight, although a risk would be high I would do it again, but a risk isnt a fact. To what degree would people believe me if I said I wouldnt do it anymore; what are the facts that would let them conclude I will (not might) do it again?

To when do you say some priests are protected by the Church compared to not sending your child to confession at all because of generalizing the priesthood based on what a handful of priests did?

I dont know what else the Church can do, really unless they break the seal of confession and allow priests to defend themselves.

But, on what basis would you not let your child see a priest in confession based on what the church did and some of its priests?
 
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Spiderman

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Id say just those priests. I dont know which Church policies that need changing. Unless the Church is going against their own doctrines.

I wondered, if I commited any number of federal crimes straight, although a risk would be high I would do it again, but a risk isnt a fact. To what degree would people believe me if I said I wouldnt do it anymore; what are the facts that would let them conclude I will (not might) do it again?

To when do you say some priests are protected by the Church compared to not sending your child to confession at all because of generalizing the priesthood based on what a handful of priests did?

I dont know what else the Church can do, really unless they break the seal of confession and allow priests to defend themselves.

But, on what basis would you not let your child see a priest in confession based on what the church did and some of its priests?
May I ask what the thousand commas mean? :p

Im a little slow when it comes to understanding what such things imply. :blush:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Slip of the hand .Oops

Im on a nook keyboard since my laptop was stolen. Makes it hard to type sometimes.
Okay.... that keyboard has a Demon! :p I thought it could have been a symptom of your condition.

Was your laptop stolen because of a siezure (and someone took it while you were unconscious)? I hope you don't mind me asking. :)
 

Unveiled Artist

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Okay.... that keyboard has a Demon! :p I thought it could have been a symptom of your condition.

Was your laptop stolen because of a siezure (and someone took it while you were unconscious)? I hope you don't mind me asking. :)

Thank gosh its not in that category!

I do have memory issues; so, it makes it hard to summarize my points in one paragraph without forgeting. Not quite an english paper, but Im sure people would like a citation or two.

But, no. I was at our local department store. I had my laptop and backpack since I came from school. I saw a table I wanted but without a car, stupidly, I let a stranger and his wife help me take it home. I sat my laptop on the floor near the door.

My bookbag (with my wallet etc) next to it. Instead of taking the bag, he took the laptop. I changed my username and passwords on all my social media and school sites. It was near Christmas so he probably stole it for family.

I was going to get a new one, actually went and got one spending someone elses money. As I was walking back home, another guy (a lot of people just like to talk; I dont live in the city at that) and he says, after talking about god, "looks like you need money" and he fans out hundred dollar bills. He was going to give me a hundred (while hitting on me). I said no and took a fifty instead.

Think that was a sign to take the laptop back. I returned the new one and got a $40 keyboard instead.
 
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