Why are some Left Wing Liberals, So intellectually dishonest

[Faithofchristian]

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Before Jeff Sessions Separated Immigrant Families, Obama Did It
May 8, 2018, 6:16pm Tina Vasquez

A program that detains male Mexican migrants near the border and repatriates them far from their area of origin ramped up under the Obama administration—and often led to family separation.

The hardest stories come from the mothers. Between 2010 and 2012, the Obama administration deported more than 200,000 parents of U.S. citizen children, and more since that time. Many of the children of deported parents end up in the child welfare system, and may be separated indefinitely.

To make matters worse, if a mother attempts to return to the United States to unite with her children after being deported, she can face a felony charge with a federal prison sentence of up to 20 years.

The truth is @BarackObama and his administration created the crisis and saw the children as political tools - numbers for use as part of a narrative treating them like animals. The @POTUS has seen the problem - fixed their living conditions and wants to stop the problem






Liberal democrats created the mess under obama, and made the laws. Trump just enforcing the laws liberal democrats made under Obama

 

[Lyndon]

So its OK if you lie to us, But liberals can't?? FYI Obama wasn't a liberal Democrat, he was quite conservative as far as Democrats go. And the fedral charge for a deported mother returning is 2 years max, not 20 years, but you go ahead and lie all you want, it your conscience

 

[Faithofchristian]

So its OK if you lie to us, But liberals can't?? FYI Obama wasn't a liberal Democrat, he was quite conservative as far as Democrats go. And the fedral charge for a deported mother returning is 2 years max, not 20 years, but you go ahead and lie all you want, it your conscience

Hey what goes around comes around, can't handle it. When it comes back at you.
Typical Liberal democrats.

Now that's amazing how you, yourself lie, Obama ran as a Liberal Democrat, became President as a Liberal Democrat.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

NEWS IMMIGRATION

Before Jeff Sessions Separated Immigrant Families, Obama Did It
May 8, 2018, 6:16pm Tina Vasquez

A program that detains male Mexican migrants near the border and repatriates them far from their area of origin ramped up under the Obama administration—and often led to family separation.

The hardest stories come from the mothers. Between 2010 and 2012, the Obama administration deported more than 200,000 parents of U.S. citizen children, and more since that time. Many of the children of deported parents end up in the child welfare system, and may be separated indefinitely.

To make matters worse, if a mother attempts to return to the United States to unite with her children after being deported, she can face a felony charge with a federal prison sentence of up to 20 years.

The truth is @BarackObama and his administration created the crisis and saw the children as political tools - numbers for use as part of a narrative treating them like animals. The @POTUS has seen the problem - fixed their living conditions and wants to stop the problem






Liberal democrats created the mess under obama, and made the laws. Trump just enforcing the laws liberal democrats made under Obama

So were back to lying again, huh?

Trump blames Democrats for own policy separating families

A piece from the link above.

"Whenever parents are charged with a federal misdemeanor (entry without inspection in this case), or awaiting trial, they are placed in the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service. Children cannot go to jail, so they are transferred to the custody of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then placed with relatives, juvenile detention centers or foster care. That’s a longstanding Homeland Security policy, DHS told us.

Before the Trump administration, immigrants entering illegally as families were rarely prosecuted, said Sarah Pierce, an associate policy analyst of the U.S. Immigration Program at the Migration Policy Institute. Instead, immigrants were held in family detention centers until they were sent to appear before an immigration court or deported.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced on April 6 the Homeland Security Department would now be referring all illegal border crossings to the Justice Department for prosecution. Facing criminal charges, parents would go to detention centers, leaving their children unaccompanied."

Its all thanks to Session Zero tolerance policy that children are being separated from their families.

Yet you continue to ignore the evidence and instead post a meme to back up your statement.

 

[Phantasman]

That's kind of correct. GW Bush instituted the law in 2006. Obama enforced it as well. The Dems seem to be running out of talking points, hence the new "kids of illegal immigrants" accusations. The media is all to anxious to help , as well. The left, who pushed hard for religious absence in government, are now highlighting scriptures to help their point.

I see Trump trying to get control of immigration gone wild. We see the results countries like France, Sweden and the UK are going through, and he wants us to take it slower and documenting all immigrants. If you don't know who they are or what they are doing, you wind up with messes like Long Island (MS13) and homeless deficating on city streets like Seattle and San Fran.

Progressives are just that. Progress laws made without the laws being changed by the peoples representatives. Trump is enforcing the same laws that are still on the books. If he didn't and we get over run by MS13 or drugs, the Progressives will blame him as well. It's best to just say "I followed the law". It won't matter to the left is he does or doesn't. They'll still hate him.

Case in point. Dems wanted 780,000 DACA kids given amnesty. Trump said he would give it to 1.8 million (obvious Trump knew more on the numbers). Yet the Dems knew if that happened, they were running out of things to oppose Trump on.

Common sense doesn't appear to be a big consideration on the left. They were against tax cuts for people to have more of their own money. Go figure.

2018 will be interesting.

 

[Phantasman]

So were back to lying again, huh?

Trump blames Democrats for own policy separating families

A piece from the link above.

"Whenever parents are charged with a federal misdemeanor (entry without inspection in this case), or awaiting trial, they are placed in the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service. Children cannot go to jail, so they are transferred to the custody of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then placed with relatives, juvenile detention centers or foster care. That’s a longstanding Homeland Security policy, DHS told us.

Before the Trump administration, immigrants entering illegally as families were rarely prosecuted, said Sarah Pierce, an associate policy analyst of the U.S. Immigration Program at the Migration Policy Institute. Instead, immigrants were held in family detention centers until they were sent to appear before an immigration court or deported.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced on April 6 the Homeland Security Department would now be referring all illegal border crossings to the Justice Department for prosecution. Facing criminal charges, parents would go to detention centers, leaving their children unaccompanied."

Its all thanks to Session Zero tolerance policy that children are being separated from their families.

Yet you continue to ignore the evidence and instead post a meme to back up your statement.

Despite the name, Politifact is an entity of the Tampa Bay Times. A left leaning news organization.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So were back to lying again, huh?

Trump blames Democrats for own policy separating families

A piece from the link above.

"Whenever parents are charged with a federal misdemeanor (entry without inspection in this case), or awaiting trial, they are placed in the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service. Children cannot go to jail, so they are transferred to the custody of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. They are then placed with relatives, juvenile detention centers or foster care. That’s a longstanding Homeland Security policy, DHS told us.

Before the Trump administration, immigrants entering illegally as families were rarely prosecuted, said Sarah Pierce, an associate policy analyst of the U.S. Immigration Program at the Migration Policy Institute. Instead, immigrants were held in family detention centers until they were sent to appear before an immigration court or deported.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced on April 6 the Homeland Security Department would now be referring all illegal border crossings to the Justice Department for prosecution. Facing criminal charges, parents would go to detention centers, leaving their children unaccompanied."

Its all thanks to Session Zero tolerance policy that children are being separated from their families.

Yet you continue to ignore the evidence and instead post a meme to back up your statement.

Just plain typical Liberal democrats, just can't handle when their parade gets rained on.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

That's kind of correct. GW Bush instituted the law in 2006. Obama enforced it as well. The Dems seem to be running out of talking points, hence the new "kids of illegal immigrants" accusations. The media is all to anxious to help , as well. The left, who pushed hard for religious absence in government, are now highlighting scriptures to help their point.

I see Trump trying to get control of immigration gone wild. We see the results countries like France, Sweden and the UK are going through, and he wants us to take it slower and documenting all immigrants. If you don't know who they are or what they are doing, you wind up with messes like Long Island (MS13) and homeless deficating on city streets like Seattle and San Fran.

Progressives are just that. Progress laws made without the laws being changed by the peoples representatives. Trump is enforcing the same laws that are still on the books. If he didn't and we get over run by MS13 or drugs, the Progressives will blame him as well. It's best to just say "I followed the law". It won't matter to the left is he does or doesn't. They'll still hate him.

Case in point. Dems wanted 780,000 DACA kids given amnesty. Trump said he would give it to 1.8 million (obvious Trump knew more on the numbers). Yet the Dems knew if that happened, they were running out of things to oppose Trump on.

Common sense doesn't appear to be a big consideration on the left. They were against tax cuts for people to have more of their own money. Go figure.

2018 will be interesting.

Things aren't that bad in Sweden. Trump has once again lied about that.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crime-sweden-rape-capital-europe/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crime-sweden-part-ii-refugee-men-overrepresented-swedish-crime/

Also we are not being taken over by Ms 13 members. Once again this is false propaganda, by Trump. There are only 10.000 members in the USA. From October 1st to the end of Trump's first year we only removed 1200 members. So how are we people taken over by them again?

Trump exaggerates number of MS-13 gang members deported

No one wants open borders, we just want to be reasonable and honest about it. Not promoting any form of hate. Matter of fact a lot of democratic members have tried to approach the right on DACA, but they turn back time and time again, by Trump and his poor political performance.

Trump claims Democrats absent from DACA negotiations

It will be more interesting if you told the truth at times.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Despite the name, Politifact is an entity of the Tampa Bay Times. A left leaning news organization.

No it's not. Try again.
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[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Just plain typical Liberal democrats, just can't handle when their parade gets rained on.

I'm not a liberal democrat, I just can't stand your hypocrisy. By the way you have yet to post anything to rebuttal my claims.

 

[Orbit]

All four living former first ladies condemn Trump border policy

All four former first ladies condemn Trump's policy, including Laura Bush

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I've noticed a pattern with righties. Since Trump's election, an election he proclaims we are winning and we'll be tired of winning, it seems instead of focusing on the supposed success of trump, we focus on the previous administration. Shouldn't we focus on all this winning we're supposed to be doing? Wait, don't answer that.

 

[Stanyon]

we focus on the previous administration.

If someone has a bowell movement in a toilet and doesn't flush and I go in there and see and smell it when I lift the lid I'd say I have the right to call them out on it, especially if someone is blaming me for it.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

If someone has a bowell movement in a toilet and doesn't flush and I go in there and see and smell it when I lift the lid I'd say I have the right to call them out on it, especially if someone is blaming me for it.

Stupid analogy. The point is we're supposed to be winning. I still see poor people and lack of jobs. Trump didn't even affect unemployment. Trump's statistics are referring to low wage jobs not higher wage jobs that is why is numbers are skewed in the downward of employment

 

[Valjean]

Hey what goes around comes around, can't handle it. When it comes back at you.
Typical Liberal democrats.

Now that's amazing how you, yourself lie, Obama ran as a Liberal Democrat, became President as a Liberal Democrat.

Where did you get this idea that Obama ran as a liberal? He never made that claim. Perhaps he seemed liberal in contrast to Bush, but his policies were hardly progressive.

...I see Trump trying to get control of immigration gone wild. We see the results countries like France, Sweden and the UK are going through, and he wants us to take it slower and documenting all immigrants.

Immigration gone wild? Haven't we had more people leaving than coming for the past decade? When has immigration ever been lower?
There is no immigration crisis, it's a manufactured diversion.

If you don't know who they are or what they are doing, you wind up with messes like Long Island (MS13) and homeless deficating on city streets like Seattle and San Fran.

You should look into the history of MS13. They're not a product of liberal policies, and if you object to the proliferation of the homeless, you should look to Republican, 'small government' social policies.

Progressives are just that. Progress laws made without the laws being changed by the peoples representatives. Trump is enforcing the same laws that are still on the books. If he didn't and we get over run by MS13 or drugs, the Progressives will blame him as well. It's best to just say "I followed the law". It won't matter to the left is he does or doesn't. They'll still hate him.

No. The immigrants aren't drug runners, rapists or terrorists. Terror organizations or drug cartels don't need to sneak in through the Southern desert.

Case in point. Dems wanted 780,000 DACA kids given amnesty. Trump said he would give it to 1.8 million (obvious Trump knew more on the numbers). Yet the Dems knew if that happened, they were running out of things to oppose Trump on.

The mothers with children aren't running drugs. They're refugies from US foreign policy.
What are you concerned about, increasing population? Republicans don't seem to be promoting any reproductive restrictions.
Is it crime? The immigrants have a lower crime rate than the natives.
Is it jobs? Immigrants are taking jobs employers can't find natives to fill.

It seems to me this is just a reactionary xenophobia, promoted by the Right for political purposes and fueled by economic and social stagnation, and a perceived threat to a previously assumed dominant position in the social hierarchy.

Common sense doesn't appear to be a big consideration on the left. They were against tax cuts for people to have more of their own money. Go figure.

2018 will be interesting.

The right-wing orientation prefers simplistic causes and solutions.
The tax cuts for the working classes are temporary. The benefits for the rich are permanent. The money saved by the people will buy them less than the social programs that were previously available to them.

 

[Stanyon]

Stupid analogy. The point is we're supposed to be winning. I still see poor people and lack of jobs. Trump didn't even affect unemployment. Trump's statistics are referring to low wage jobs not higher wage jobs that is why is numbers are skewed in the downward of employment

The poor will always be with us, this is a fact no matter the country or president.
if you think Trump is some kind of "magic cracker" that will undo that which has always been with us and always will be think again, he's just one president of many.

 

[idav]

NEWS IMMIGRATION

Before Jeff Sessions Separated Immigrant Families, Obama Did It
May 8, 2018, 6:16pm Tina Vasquez

A program that detains male Mexican migrants near the border and repatriates them far from their area of origin ramped up under the Obama administration—and often led to family separation.

The hardest stories come from the mothers. Between 2010 and 2012, the Obama administration deported more than 200,000 parents of U.S. citizen children, and more since that time. Many of the children of deported parents end up in the child welfare system, and may be separated indefinitely.

To make matters worse, if a mother attempts to return to the United States to unite with her children after being deported, she can face a felony charge with a federal prison sentence of up to 20 years.

The truth is @BarackObama and his administration created the crisis and saw the children as political tools - numbers for use as part of a narrative treating them like animals. The @POTUS has seen the problem - fixed their living conditions and wants to stop the problem






Liberal democrats created the mess under obama, and made the laws. Trump just enforcing the laws liberal democrats made under Obama

Just spreading lies I see. Fact is criminals don’t get to keep their kids and vetting them was a thing under Obama. So which is it was Obama just catching and releasing or incarcerating everyone. The BIG difference is Trump and Sessions have decided to criminalize asylum seekers and no, Tent Cities in hundred degree weather is nothing like the cushy bed you posted. Most Republicans, Sessions, Ted Cruz, Kellyanne Conway, own the fact that it’s Trumps policy and it has nothing to do with law.

The real reason Rump is blaming Dems is because him and Sessions have decided to hold the children hostage to force Democrats to sign for their archaic wall idea. Deplorables doesn’t even begin to cover Trumps administration!

 

[Faithofchristian]

Were children separated from their parents as they crossed the boarder into the USA under the Obama administration?

We are repeatedly informed that the separation of illegal immigrant children from the family is a policy created by the Obama administration. Is this true or is it just Mr. Sessions policy.

Did President Obama’s administration remove children from their parents when they came to the U.S. illegally? Someone on FaceBook is saying this and I want to see if this is true.

NEWSWEEK: OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE

Did Bill Clinton enact a law that made it legal to separate migrants from their children. We’re migrants forced to surrender their children during the Obama administration?

THE LAW TO SEPARATE PARENTS FROM THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY WAS PASSED IN 1997 By Bill Clintion. NOW IT’S A PROBLEM?



Typical liberal democrats were all for it in 1997,

Now Liberals democrats going against what they supported in 1997.

 

[Sunstone]

Why is it that conservatives can never seem to come up with evidence for just about any claim that they make, let alone claims about liberal's intellectual dishonesty? Is that just my impression, or is there any substance to it?

 

[Stanyon]

Remember that picture of Trump on the wall at the holiday vacation camp for child immigrants? They wanted people to believe it was some type of Trump cult indoctrination attempt-nevermind all the other presidents that were on that very same wall- more despicable lies of the left.