Why are some Left Wing Liberals, So intellectually dishonest

[Faithofchristian]

Obama Speech on illegal immigrants
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Hillary Speech on illegal immigrants children
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[Faithofchristian]

How exactly Hillary Clinton feels about Liberal democrats
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[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

OK. Trump lies. Who doesn't? You?

Follow who you want. I have no issue with what you like to read.

Yes. My opinion. No evidence. I believe the moon exists. I have no evidence. Same with Jesus.

The Internet is a blessing and a demon. I don't let it get the better of me. I am not a crusader. I don't care what someone believes, but I will question why in many cases. So I'm given links. Are links proof? Nope.

You can't provide evidence any more than I can refute it.

People say "you watch Fox, so you are a right wing advocate". The real reason I watch Fox is because if I want to hear the President, I can hear him in real time. Not through cut up pieces on MSNBC or CNN where pundits discuss partially (though I do watch them too). Trump and many Reps won't give an interview with CNN or MSNBC just as Pelosi and Schumer won't answer interviewers at Fox.

Everyone lies in the bed they make.

Brother that's denial, but we'll get past that.

So if you know Trump is lying to you then why the hell do you continue to let him lie to you and not call it out.

 

[Phantasman]

Brother that's denial, but we'll get past that.

So if you know Trump is lying to you then why the hell do you continue to let him lie to you and not call it out.

Be specific. Which particular lie? I like the way the "Trump team" is handling most all governmental affairs for the country. Trying to judge the character of Trump as a man is left for that crowd. What he is accomplishing as President is all I care about.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Seeing it has been a while ago, not sure what your talking about me lying. But if you wish to want to lie. That's totally up to you.

But anyway,
it's evidence that Obama sure didnt run as a conservative Republican, that's for sure.

Um, I was responding to the exact words you said in your post. You were responding to a poster who said:

"So its OK if you lie to us, But liberals can't?? FYI Obama wasn't a liberal Democrat, he was quite conservative as far as Democrats go. And the fedral charge for a deported mother returning is 2 years max, not 20 years, but you go ahead and lie all you want, it your conscience"


To which you responded with:

"Hey what goes around comes around, can't handle it. When it comes back at you.
Typical Liberal democrats.
Now that's amazing how you, yourself lie, Obama ran as a Liberal Democrat, became President as a Liberal Democrat."



To which I said:

"I think you lie, so I'm going to go right ahead and lie too!"
Seems to be what you're saying. Do you think that's an honest position?


Because it sounds like you're saying that it's okay to lie if someone else also lies. This is in a thread where you're accusing your political opponents of being intellectually dishonest.


And how you seem lost for some reason.

 

[SkepticThinker]

In case you miss it, That's the law that Bill Clinton pass back in 1997, Which is law. So if liberal democrats have a beef with it, my advice is to take it up with the democratic Party.seeing their the ones with Bill Clinton pass it into law 1997.
So President Donald Trump is only enforcing the law that the liberal democratic Party pass into law 1997.
So maybe before people go jumping at Trump, maybe people should jump at Liberal democratic Party for passing such a law 1997.

In case you missed the post directly above yours. Another poster pointed out in post #54:

Just in case this isn't clear enough, this is what Jeff Sessions said about the recent change in DOJ policy:

"Compounding this problem, the previous administration wouldn’t prosecute illegal aliens who entered the country with children. It was de facto open borders.

The results were unsurprising. More and more illegal aliens started showing up at the border with children. To illustrate, in 2013, there were fewer than 15,000 family units apprehended crossing our border illegally between ports of entry. Five years later, it was more than 75,000—a five-fold increase in five years. It didn’t even have to be their child—it could be anyone. You can imagine the horrible abuses that resulted."
Attorney General Sessions Addresses Recent Criticisms of Zero Tolerance By Church Leaders

This is their justification for their own change in policy, one that happened last April. It has been the Trump administration's decision to start separating families at the border. They can stop doing it at any time, but they don't.

 

[Valjean]

Trump's "policies" seem to me simplistic pandering to a nativist panic.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

In case you miss it, That's the law that Bill Clinton pass back in 1997,

False. The zero-tolerance policy was put in place by Sessions in April of this year.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Be specific. Which particular lie? I like the way the "Trump team" is handling most all governmental affairs for the country. Trying to judge the character of Trump as a man is left for that crowd. What he is accomplishing as President is all I care about.

You can choose from the 390 reported times of lying. Here I thought integrity was important to you. I guess not.

Donald Trump's file

 

[Cacotopia]

The exact same statement could be said for the right, the real question is why so many Americans think they can get away with intellectual dishonestym then they cry about it when they are called on it.

Both sides are equally as dishonest as the other, where are the honest people? WHERE

 

[Cacotopia]

But no no no no no, everyone needs to boil things down to a yes or no answer in order to over simplify complex issues, and not explain them. Also yes or no railroads people into answering in a specific manner, any yes or no question is a loaded question, and is inherently dishonest.

 

[Phantasman]

You can choose from the 390 reported times of lying. Here I thought integrity was important to you. I guess not.

Donald Trump's file

So some lies are "mostly true" some "mostly false" some flip/flop? Some unable to verify but......./

Politifact runs your thinking. I wonder how Hillary did. Pelosi. Etc.

I have admitted that Trump exaggerates. But on the economy, GDP, employment, market, etc. the figures don't lie.

To me. Trump is doing what all politicians do. They all lie, stretch the true, bend the facts.

I listened to his speech last night on Fox (that CNN and MSNBC doesn't televise because they want their viewers to only listen to them and remain in the dark). Are you one of those types? Getting everything for what others say rather than hearing and seeing it first hand.

Your last line comment was noted, and brushed off as condescending ignorance. What you think of me, is unimportant to me.

 

[jonathan180iq]

H.R.5005 - 107th Congress (2001-2002): Homeland Security Act of 2002

 

[Shad]

In case you miss it, That's the law that Bill Clinton pass back in 1997, Which is law. So if liberal democrats have a beef with it, my advice is to take it up with the democratic Party.seeing their the ones with Bill Clinton pass it into law 1997.
So President Donald Trump is only enforcing the law that the liberal democratic Party pass into law 1997.
So maybe before people go jumping at Trump, maybe people should jump at Liberal democratic Party for passing such a law 1997.

The law is about general detainment and contains alternatives to separation. Bond, guardianship, NGO programs, sponsorship, release of the parent or moving to a juvenile or juvenile equipped facility (Separation). The policy is to only use the one option. Another part of policy is using the criminal justice system to charge parents with crimes thus separation is mandated as it is no longer an immigration issue but criminal.

 

[Cacotopia]

So some lies are "mostly true" some "mostly false" some flip/flop? Some unable to verify but......./

Politifact runs your thinking. I wonder how Hillary did. Pelosi. Etc.

I have admitted that Trump exaggerates. But on the economy, GDP, employment, market, etc. the figures don't lie.

To me. Trump is doing what all politicians do. They all lie, stretch the true, bend the facts.

I listened to his speech last night on Fox (that CNN and MSNBC doesn't televise because they want their viewers to only listen to them and remain in the dark). Are you one of those types? Getting everything for what others say rather than hearing and seeing it first hand.

Your last line comment was noted, and brushed off as condescending ignorance. What you think of me, is unimportant to me.

THIS IS WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT

you are now making excuses for it when it is in your court, but no no if a "left" person tells a lie no matter how large you will lose your marbles over it.

 

[Cacotopia]

I have said it before and I will say it again and I will likely say it a lot more times.

The truth is unpopular and avoided in modern day society no matter where you try to apply it.

 

[Phantasman]

THIS IS WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT

you are now making excuses for it when it is in your court, but no no if a "left" person tells a lie no matter how large you will lose your marbles over it.

lol......lose my marbles?

Not really. People lie, people stretch things, I don't make a distinction between left/right, black/white, male/female in such things. People are people. I understand people. Read over a hundred books on human development in my lifetime.

People show frustration at different levels and in different ways. The Robert Deniro's of the world get off touting "F*** Trump". The Peter Fonda's of the world want Trumps young son in a den of child molesters. Still, others want to compare him to the SS, Nazi Germany, and Hitler himself. All of these frustrated people are idiots IMO. You can disagree or even "peacefully protest". When people get out of control, they become babbling idiots in my view. Foaming at the mouth types.

I didn't grow up in this type world. Heaven forbid I become one of them. But I saw the signs of it coming in 1984 (ironic) and moved out of the big city, having a habitat out a country road a few miles from a town of 25,000 people. In the peace and quiet I watch the world. Not even being in it or a part of it.

I have nothing more in which to gain. I merely comment from a position of independence and freedom of such anarchy.

 

[Valjean]

So some lies are "mostly true" some "mostly false" some flip/flop? Some unable to verify but......./

Politifact runs your thinking. I wonder how Hillary did. Pelosi. Etc.

OK. Here's the breakdown:
PolitiFact | Comparing Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump on the Truth-O-Meter
PolitiFact’s Methodology: Who Lies More – A Comparison (Robert Mann)

I have admitted that Trump exaggerates. But on the economy, GDP, employment, market, etc. the figures don't lie.

True, and the facts indicate that the economic and wage stagnation, industry outsourcing, &c are the result of neoliberalism, trickle down economics and hundreds of other, specific, right wing policies over the past few decades.

To me. Trump is doing what all politicians do. They all lie, stretch the true, bend the facts.

True, but he and his party are doing it to a much greater extent than other parties.
Diagnosing the Republican Brain

 

[Cacotopia]

OK. Here's the breakdown:
PolitiFact | Comparing Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump on the Truth-O-Meter
PolitiFact’s Methodology: Who Lies More – A Comparison (Robert Mann)
True, and the facts indicate that the economic and wage stagnation, industry outsourcing, &c are the result of neoliberalism, trickle down economics and hundreds of other, specific, right wing policies over the past few decades.
True, but he and his party are doing it to a much greater extent than other parties.
Diagnosing the Republican Brain

I did not say this.