why are there so many weak minded adult males these years?

[psychoslice]

He hasnt said anything racist or sexist.

That's what I thought ?.

 

[Me Myself]

That's what I thought ?.

Was it?

 

[Penumbra]

Some men are immature, some women are immature, and looking back through history humanity has often been immature.

 

[kloth]

Some men are immature, some women are immature, and looking back through history humanity has often been immature.

the question is; do you see it getting worse?

I could say the same about you, which would make it even worse since here you are vaguely preaching about the social plagues of the young men of our days. What if behind your computer you are no different from them? How are you going to prove otherwise?
See, here I was thinking about choosing to make a career out of an unorthodox field, while everyone toady is idolizing computer science, or choosing to live, study, work, or travel abroad and make my success in life through creativity rather than going in a predetermined conservative path to success and the good ol' American dream.
Humor is a wonderful thing, I hope you aren't reading fiction at face value as you do people's posts.
:areyoucra

I have plenty of causes and goals, I just don't like taking the boring route there. Why take the yellow brick road directly to the Emerald city, if you can ride on top a flying monkey to see the wizard? There's better view.

It doesn't matter what people say or think about me on a forums...because it's a forums. you won't see me getting defensive about it. what for? I also didn't mention just young men. maybe I am no better than them, perhaps worse, lots of people do have a double standard at the same time as well. but nobody needs to really prove themselves here, but we can talk about the harsh realities of the world that everyone see's, despite denial. since it is a debate section.

I see what you mean now, I don't think it's a rebellious act so much as being different (i.e. not predictable). sounds cool for you though.

that 3rd part doesn't make sense, being I didn't come off as being believing toward what your reply said, not to mention others replies. I don't think it's humor, more like fantasy is what I see from people on the net.

that goes with the non predictable thing, again.

 

[DallasApple]

I don't see a trend of "older " men hanging on being more immature in my 40's then I did in by 4's.

I just don't see it. Like "men these days " as opposed to "men of yester year" I have not observed. Same with women.

 

[EtuMalku]

Awww shhucks . . . c'mon, girls get to play dress up to the day they die, we should be allowed a few indulgences too!:beach:

 

[Penumbra]

the question is; do you see it getting worse?

No.

Not based on statistics like crime, for example, which has been decreasing in recent decades. Or slavery, genocide, that sort of thing. Men are probably a lot less sexist than they were 50 years ago too, a lot more understanding overall. I don't think there ever was a mature period in human history, based on current understandings of what it means to be a mature and healthy adult.

 

[LuisDantas]

Aren't we perhaps a bit overextended, though?

 

[kloth]

I don't see a trend of "older " men hanging on being more immature in my 40's then I did in by 4's.

I just don't see it. Like "men these days " as opposed to "men of yester year" I have not observed. Same with women.

mid life crisis has been going on with men for years, decades, etc. I don't know if they are trying to be immature, seems like they are trying to be young at heart and free, but maybe have no concern for any type of etiquette.
so I take it, the way you see it, men are getting better in society than as opposed to before.

Awww shhucks . . . c'mon, girls get to play dress up to the day they die, we should be allowed a few indulgences too!:beach:

the way I see it, it's men's fault. they repress themselves by hassling other men who dress to nice, have too much money, have what might considered by most as natural good looks, are in what's considered a good relationship or job.
men are always worried about other mens business, even with complete strangers. if men have too much, then other men who are jealous will try and spite them or make them feel like what they have or what they do is not good enough. but some times kissing up happens if things are just perfect through another mans eyes.
then for men who are not doing so well, other men will judge them for that like it's their business, again, even with complete strangers.

No.

Not based on statistics like crime, for example, which has been decreasing in recent decades. Or slavery, genocide, that sort of thing. Men are probably a lot less sexist than they were 50 years ago too, a lot more understanding overall. I don't think there ever was a mature period in human history, based on current understandings of what it means to be a mature and healthy adult.

if crime were decreasing with men in the u.s. at least, then the male prison population wouldn't be growing more and more every year. that's not an educated guess either, that's from the u.s census bureau.
maybe men are less sexist than before with women, but I wouldn't say this is for the most part yet. if you go out, how often do you see men who are running the date with paying for everything and him picking her up? etc. women may go along with it, but men are proud to follow this. it's really up to men to stand up and make things fair, but many are afraid to challenge social expectation because of tradition.
to me most men are still old fashioned, they may complain but still go along with it.
men should start to move forward now, and not worry about kids stuff.

a lot of it I believe has to do with emotional unstableness, due to men not growing up. too many wanna follow social expectation, that's why so many troubles in society have not changed even though we know better.

Aren't we perhaps a bit overextended, though?

not sure what you mean by that.

 

[Sunstone]

Most adults are children. Always have been. Always will be.

 

[DallasApple]

Most adults are children. Always have been. Always will be.

If most adults are children and always have been always will be then whats the difference between an adult and a child?

 

[psychoslice]

I think the difference is one is childish and another is childlike, i see myself as the latter.

 

[Sunstone]

If most adults are children and always have been always will be then whats the difference between an adult and a child?

Adults have more expensive toys.

 

[DallasApple]

Adults have more expensive toys.

True .

Is this a good thing or a bad thing or not either way thing .(besides the more expensive toys).

 

[Sunstone]

If most adults are children and always have been always will be then whats the difference between an adult and a child?

This is as good of a definition as any: If. Especially if you understand it as applicable to both men and women.

 

[Penumbra]

if crime were decreasing with men in the u.s. at least, then the male prison population wouldn't be growing more and more every year. that's not an educated guess either, that's from the u.s census bureau.

Decreasing violent crime rates.

Decreasing property crime rates.

Most of the prison problem is based on the "War on Drugs", where Marijuna arrests are the biggest component. Even though marijuana is less addictive and harmful than cigarettes or alcohol, nearly 1 million Americans are arrested per year on marijuana charges.

It's a matter of national priorities, even though crime rates mostly across the board have gone down over the last two decades.

maybe men are less sexist than before with women, but I wouldn't say this is for the most part yet. if you go out, how often do you see men who are running the date with paying for everything and him picking her up? etc. women may go along with it, but men are proud to follow this. it's really up to men to stand up and make things fair, but many are afraid to challenge social expectation because of tradition.
to me most men are still old fashioned, they may complain but still go along with it.
men should start to move forward now, and not worry about kids stuff.

I'd rather deal with men of today than men of 50 years ago as far as sexism is concerned.

a lot of it I believe has to do with emotional unstableness, due to men not growing up. too many wanna follow social expectation, that's why so many troubles in society have not changed even though we know better.

Actually I think most social progress has been because of people avoiding social expectations. It was socially acceptable to believe that women shouldn't be able to vote until a loud vocal minority showed how stupid that idea was. It was socially acceptable to be racist until a loud vocal minority began fighting for civil rights. It was socially acceptable to hate on LGBT people until fairly recently when people began becoming more socially aware of LGBT people and acceptance has risen above 50%.

"Growing up" is somewhat relative. I think some of the most immature people are adults that don't have any playfulness, that don't have any youth at heart. I think more people should reconnect with their inner child, to find the beauty and spontaneity that they once experienced as youth.

Mostly here it's just been claims that males aren't growing up that aren't supported by evidence or facts.

 

[DallasApple]

This is as good of a definition as any: If. Especially if you understand it as applicable to both men and women.

But of course .Why would I not ? I love expensive toys.

 

[DallasApple]

It's a matter of national priorities, even though crime rates mostly across the board have gone down over the last two decades.

Less violent crime being committed more being locked up for non violent crimes.

 

[Mathematician]

perhaps it depends on where you live, but for the most part i come across grown men (some are old men) who seem to care about teen age things (i.e. how cool or tough they are) more so than taking care of their family, financial state, jobs, house, community, themself, etc.
i find it odd that so many adult males these years are still going through a rebelious stage in their life still, and have been for years. especially in this day in age, what hasn't been done by now? why be so concerned (or obsessed) with trying to prove something or be something you are not as an adult male these years?

Young men make less than their female peers, are unemployed at greater frequency, and lack the same academic achievements for a variety of reasons. And family court is prejudiced against men to such a degree that there's been a wide scale response against organizations like NOW for trivializing male issues. Men are remaining at home because they have no wealth or incentive (family) to do otherwise.

In response to an earlier discussion: young men are not in any seat of power compared to young women. In fact, by all accounts women under 30 are the empowered gender. The 'masculinist' and 'father's rights' movements are a response to this fact.

 

[kloth]

Young men make less than their female peers, are unemployed at greater frequency, and lack the same academic achievements for a variety of reasons. And family court is prejudiced against men to such a degree that there's been a wide scale response against organizations like NOW for trivializing male issues. Men are remaining at home because they have no wealth or incentive (family) to do otherwise.

In response to an earlier discussion: young men are not in any seat of power compared to young women. In fact, by all accounts women under 30 are the empowered gender. The 'masculinist' and 'father's rights' movements are a response to this fact.

I think for some young men that can be the case. but this is about all men of all ages.
with family court, I think it depends on your judge. if your wife is hott and knows how to act and dress, a male judge will fall in love within minutes or seconds. but if it's a female judge then she just may be jealous if she likes the husband. that's one of my takes at least.
the second paragraph is off topic.

Decreasing violent crime rates.

Decreasing property crime rates.

Most of the prison problem is based on the "War on Drugs", where Marijuna arrests are the biggest component. Even though marijuana is less addictive and harmful than cigarettes or alcohol, nearly 1 million Americans are arrested per year on marijuana charges.

It's a matter of national priorities, even though crime rates mostly across the board have gone down over the last two decades.

I'd rather deal with men of today than men of 50 years ago as far as sexism is concerned.

Actually I think most social progress has been because of people avoiding social expectations. It was socially acceptable to believe that women shouldn't be able to vote until a loud vocal minority showed how stupid that idea was. It was socially acceptable to be racist until a loud vocal minority began fighting for civil rights. It was socially acceptable to hate on LGBT people until fairly recently when people began becoming more socially aware of LGBT people and acceptance has risen above 50%.

"Growing up" is somewhat relative. I think some of the most immature people are adults that don't have any playfulness, that don't have any youth at heart. I think more people should reconnect with their inner child, to find the beauty and spontaneity that they once experienced as youth.

Mostly here it's just been claims that males aren't growing up that aren't supported by evidence or facts.

kinda depends on the prison. but domestic violence problems are a bigger problem than drugs when it comes to prison. and meth is the bigger problem than weed as well, and weed is not addictive, perhaps habit forming like everything, but not physically addictive like heroin. but weed is more harmful than smokes when it comes to the lungs.
I don't know if I would rather be around men 50 years ago either. 40 years sounds better to me, 50 years ago might have been too conservative for me then.

the subject isn't about women, as much as people wanna pull women into this subject.

I kinda agree with the playfulness thing, I notice many men who take themselves too seriously all the time, more than they are worth. yet they have something to prove but with no style, no natural style at least. but as far as their inner child, I see that more than ever especially with the generation x culture that started in the 70's. not always bad, it's better to me until older men start acting like problem children to impress others.
as far as evidence and facts, it's right outside. some people will say no crime exists in the city they live in and never has, and they have never seen a crime ever there, but I think people know better than that. even if you have 100% solid proof it would be ignored or denied until the end.

Most adults are children. Always have been. Always will be.

thanks for the reply. however, that is a very typical and easy thing to say. even if it were true, it still has no relevance to the subject at hand really.