Why Are You Wrong?

[Cooky]

That's the thing with worldviews
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I'd like to see evidence of this using the scientific method... Unless "worldview" is just an abstraction posited as real.

Besides, has anyone ever successfully expressed their entire worldview? You wouldn't know where to begin or where to end... If one could even begin, he would need to rewrite it completely before finishing... Over and over again he would try... Like holding water in a fishnet.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, that's what we have on this planet a lot of the time. Often with twins, only one of them does most of the talking. Many people need a boss in order to work. Lots of examples of sheep mentality.
....

How about just human nature.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I was purposefully vague.

If you have no worldview, how can it be wrong?

Anyone who has no worldview at all isn't posting on an internet forum.

 

[ChristineM]

I'd like to see evidence of this using the scientific method... Unless "worldview" is just an abstraction posited as real.

Besides, has anyone ever successfully expressed their entire worldview? You wouldn't know where to begin or where to end... If one could even begin, he would need to rewrite it completely before finishing... Over and over again he would try... Like holding water in a fishnet.

So that's your worldview is it?

 

[Cooky]

Anyone who has no worldview at all isn't posting on an internet forum.

This hints that I do have a worldview... But It's impossible for me to capture it in It's entirety, let alone share it. And if something can't be demonstrated and repeated, then it's just a hypothesis.

 

[Cooky]

So that's your worldview is it?

No. That's science. Worldview is a hoped for concept that cannot be demonstrated.

A demonstration of a kind of 'faith' even amongst the self-described scientific? That's how it appears today.

 

[ChristineM]

No. That's science. Worldview is a hoped for concept that cannot be demonstrated.

It may be something but it certainly isn't science.

 

[icehorse]

I think your worldview is wrong.

Is your worldview then wrong?

whether you answer yes or no, you're (consciously or not), supporting a theory. We have some competing theories (which in itself is cool), and - as yet - we don't have sufficient evidence.

 

[Cooky]

whether you answer yes or no, you're (consciously or not), supporting a theory. We have some competing theories (which in itself is cool), and - as yet - we don't have sufficient evidence.

I think the only premise for the existence of a solidified worldview is the existence of the word itself. We don't even know what time frame the original word Weltanschauung is from, or by who or for what purpose it originated.

...It would be important to know, IMO. But I can find nothing.

 

[Nakosis]

I think your worldview is wrong.

Is your worldview then wrong?

No

Am I wrong?

No

Why?

My worldview is not for you.

Whose worldview is correct?

Both.

Why?

Because the world from my perspective is different than the world from your perspective.

Now that that’s settled, what have we accomplished?

Peace, since we no longer have to fight over who has the correct worldview.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Talking people down out of ideas that can readily be seen to hurt others is something that will be be interpreted as needing to happen pretty much as long as anything like that (as perceived by anyone) goes on. And any progress (again, as seen by anyone) in that area is accomplishment enough to keep at it, I'd say.

 

[PureX]

I think your worldview is wrong.

Is your worldview then wrong?

Am I wrong?

Why?

Whose worldview is correct?

Why?

Now that that’s settled, what have we accomplished?

We are all 'wrong' because we do not have the ability/capacity to know what 'right' is.

That would require a knowledge of the whole, which we clearly do not possess.

 

[Piculet]

That you need to change yours.

 

[McBell]

Nope... Is there actual evidence that a worldview even exists as such? It's such a sloppy term, it's hard to imagine such a concept could last long enough In an individual to pinpoint it as anything definable (let alone an entire group).

The word didn't even exist in the English language until the late 1800's due to Freud writing about it in his psuedoscientific psychoanalysis studies.

In my opinion, no, one cannot not have a worldview.
Much like my opinion on morals.
Everyone has a set of morals.
Just like everyone has a world-view.

I do not buy into the idea that the concept did not exist before the word came about.

 

[Cooky]

I do not buy into the idea that the concept did not exist before the word came about.

In my view, the term "worldview" is an abstraction. It is essentially, the result of a natural tendency that humans have that removes certain characteristics from a particular subject, in order to simplify it for a more basic understanding. But this simplifying of something very complex is not real or actual. It's merely a human trait that exists stemming from our ancient past, that helped serve us better in understand things that are super complex... This is what I believe "worldview" is... It's the simplification of the conscious mind into a subject word that's more palatable in basic understanding... IOW, it's not something that's real. It's just something we constructed.

If you haven't already, look up and study abstraction, and tell me if it's a possibility in your opinion or not. I find the concept absolutely fascinating. Here's a sample in case you're unfamiliar, though I've seen more detailed explanations in the past:
What is abstraction? - Definition from WhatIs.com

 

[McBell]

In my view, the term "worldview" an abstraction. It is essentially, the result of a natural tendency that humans have that removes certain characteristics from a particular subject, in order to simplify it for a more basic understanding. But this simplifying of something very complex is not real or actual. It's merely a human trait that exists stemming from our ancient past, that helped serve us better in understand things that are super complex... This is what I believe "worldview" is... It's the simplification of the conscious mind into a subject word that's more palatable in basic understanding... IOW, it's not something that's real. It's just something we constructed.

If you haven't already, look up and study abstraction, and tell me if it's a possibility in your opinion or not. I find the concept absolutely fascinating. Here's a sample in case you're unfamiliar, though I've seen more detailed explanations in the past:
What is abstraction? - Definition from WhatIs.com

Just like morals and ethics....

 

[Cooky]

Just like morals and ethics....

It's odd... It's like they're cherry picked sections of our consciousness, as a whole.

I can't say that these cherry picked sections are real, separate from every other function of our mind... It's our whole being that makes us who we are ultimately.

 

[tayla]

Whose worldview is correct?

Worldviews do a better or worse job of conforming to reality. It's a philosophical question of whether a worldview can be justified via critical thinking based on true facts.

 

[chinu]

"Better to keep quiet and have everyone think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubts" - Twain

Was "Twain" trying to remove all doubts here ?

 

[Vinayaka]

Was "Twain" trying to remove all doubts here ?

Too bad you couldn't just ask him.