Why aren't those who claimed to be upset about Russia complaining about China

[Shad]

Formosa/Taiwan has always been part of China. It has been occupied by Chinese nationalists since their defeat by the Red army. However the Civil war never had a conclusion, and is still similar to that in North/South Korea, it is still ongoing though largely dormant. The Chinese claim to the Island still stands. and most countries and world bodies concede that the claim is legally valid.

You have said nothing that disagrees with my point and you have basic history wrong. Taiwan was settled centuries before there was even a China. The ROC was a recognized nation-state when the PRC didn't even exist and was a dream in the mind of Mao hiding in Xian. The ROC had chased the Maoist into that area before the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. The ROC was a member of the UN, it was represented in the surrender of Japan.

ROC has claims on China as well as you can not merely claim the PRC claims are valid with another is not merely because one side is dominate in the dispute territory which is all of China. Regardless of claims on territory.

Individual nations treaty both NK and Tawian as nation-states, ergo both are nation-states regardless of what their enemies in SK or PRC claim. The PRC is just rigging their system to bully weak nation-states.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You have said nothing that disagrees with my point and you have basic history wrong. Taiwan was settled centuries before there was even a China. The ROC was a recognized nation-state when the PRC didn't even exist and was a dream in the mind of Mao hiding in Xian. The ROC had chased the Maoist into that area before the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. The ROC was a member of the UN, it was represented in the surrender of Japan.

ROC has claims on China as well as you can not merely claim the PRC claims are valid with another is not merely because one side is dominate in the dispute territory which is all of China. Regardless of claims on territory.

Individual nations treaty both NK and Tawian as nation-states, ergo both are nation-states regardless of what their enemies in SK or PRC claim. The PRC is just rigging their system to bully weak nation-states.

The present regime is recognised by all countries and world bodies as the legitimate government of all China. Taiwan is recognised as a part of that terrritory.
Any other reading of the situation is just fairy tales.

 

[Shad]

The present regime is recognised by all countries and world bodies as the legitimate government of all China. Taiwan is recognised as a part of that terrritory.

No it isn't as per nation-states entering treaties with Taiwan without the PRC being involved.

Any other reading of the situation is just fairy tales.

Except when you look at nations which have treaties with Taiwan right? Try again. Less PRC propaganda, more facts.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

No it isn't as per nation-states entering treaties with Taiwan without the PRC being involved.



Except when you look at nations which have treaties with Taiwan right? Try again. Less PRC propaganda, more facts.

These countries include no major country and have no relationships with China.
See the quote below.
They include no world bodies. And have perhaps made a serious misreading of the reality of the legal position.

It is easy to have sympathy with the position the people in Taiwan find themselves.
But any permanent peace will require a treaty ending the war. And perhaps a lease from China.


Currently fifteen states recognise Taiwan as the ROC (and thus do not have official relations with Beijing): Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Nicaragua, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Swaziland and Tuvalu.15 Nov 2019

 

[Shad]

These countries include no major country and have no relationships with China.
See the quote below.
They include no world bodies. And have perhaps made a serious misreading of the reality of the legal position.

Wrong. The US has a defense treaty with Taiwan for example. Canada trades with Taiwan.

It is easy to have sympathy with the position the people in Taiwan find themselves.
But any permanent peace will require a treaty ending the war. And perhaps a lease from China.

Won't happen as the CCP has nothing to gain by a treaty. And you are talking about the CCP had invaded and annexed Tibet.

Currently fifteen states recognise Taiwan as the ROC

This is hedging your bet as I never said recognition requires it to be the ROC. Just reconization that Taiwan is governed by itself not the CCP nor PRC.

(and thus do not have official relations with Beijing): Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Nicaragua, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Swaziland and Tuvalu.15 Nov 2019

Again treaties between the US and Taiwan, Canada and Taiwan show otherwise as both those nations acknowledge Taiwan's government as the authority of Taiwan not the CCP nor PRC. You are conflating formal diplomatic relations with all relations. Try again.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Wrong. The US has a defense treaty with Taiwan for example. Canada trades with Taiwan..

You are a long way out of date.....


From The Taiwan Relations Act & Six Assurances
" Although military-to-military cooperation continued in the 1970s, the magnitude and depth of the relationship gradually deteriorated. The Carter administration formalized diplomatic relations with the PRC in January 1979, the U.S.-ROC Mutual Defense Treaty terminated one year later, and the security relationship between the United States and Taiwan consequently turned into a unique – and unofficial – one."


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Won't happen as the CCP has nothing to gain by a treaty. And you are talking about the CCP had invaded and annexed Tibet. .

The USA fully recognises the CCP and has many trade agreement and diplomatic arrangements in place.
Tibet is recognised as part of China ( however much that may distress people.



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This is hedging your bet as I never said recognition requires it to be the ROC. Just reconization that Taiwan is governed by itself not the CCP nor PRC..

The PRC is Taiwan

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Again treaties between the US and Taiwan, Canada and Taiwan show otherwise as both those nations acknowledge Taiwan's government as the authority of Taiwan not the CCP nor PRC. You are conflating formal diplomatic relations with all relations. Try again.

There are no existing treaties between the USA or Canada with Taiwan. only trade agreements and understandings.

While the USA does supply military equipment and know how to Taiwan it no longer has a defence treaty. It does however hold joint maneuvers. It recognised that there is a total military imbalance between the CCP and the PRC and that Taiwan is indefensible., were war to resume.


You are pretty much out of your depth on this subject ... relying of Wiki and web searches is no substitute for knowledge. and tends to turn up large doses of out of date information and even larger doses of biased opinion

 

[Thanda]

Here is a WHO official pretending not to hear a question, then avoiding it, then calling Taiwan 'part of China'. Why should we believe that they were entirely neutral during the early stages of the outbreak when they were advocating against stopping travel to/from China?

Why are you asking a health official about contested geopolitics?

 

[Thanda]

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China's government is far from insane, unlike western countries it always take the long view.
However it does not have a crystal ball.
In this case it was able to Build hospitals in record quick time, contain entire cities to stop the transmission of the virus to new areas. Muster PPE supplies and ventilation equipment in the needed quantities.
Organises food supplies directly to living blocks ( no shopping needed) and still manage to keep the necessary production facilities open in safe parts of the country.
Its organisation abilities far exceed any western country, and perhaps only nearly equalled in S Korea.

In comparison the western countries, even though they had the warning data and experience from China to work with, failed to act promptly, and let the virus escape into their populations. with the resulting massively higher infection and death rates compared to China. Trump's dithering and denials and misinformation has directly influenced and brought about the massive death toll in the USA, which can only increase still further as the virus spreads to other regions.

There is still no coordinated health and supply structure in place, and the blame game is in full swing.
The USA was, and will remain ill prepared to face any pandemic from what ever source. Trump had dismantled the only organisation, that had been in place, to tackle such emergencies. It is now having to set up federal and local coordination bodies from scratch. a task seemingly beyond his abilities.

The buck can only stop in one place, and that is at the top.

What do you say about China's revision of the the death toll numbers in Wuhan? Do you believe their data?

 

[Augustus]

Why are you asking a health official about contested geopolitics?

I'm not, I'm showing that the WHO is clearly influenced by political factors.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What do you say about China's revision of the the death toll numbers in Wuhan? Do you believe their data?

Like us, they are revising the data as it becomes available.
Like us, they were unable to get up to date numbers for the infection and deaths in the general population.

Like us, they probably had accurate figures for hospital deaths

Neither we nor they have a clear idea of the nonsymptomatic infection rate.

I expect that when this is all over to have a reasonably accurate figure of deaths for most countries including both us and China.

 

[Thanda]

Like us, they are revising the data as it becomes available.
Like us, they were unable to get up to date numbers for the infection and deaths in the general population.

Like us, they probably had accurate figures for hospital deaths

Neither we nor they have a clear idea of the nonsymptomatic infection rate.

I expect that when this is all over to have a reasonably accurate figure of deaths for most countries including both us and China.

And why is their testing data also missing from the world meter website

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

And why is their testing data also missing from the world meter website

You better ask the world meter website that question.
Their site their option.
The data is available elsewhere.
As will further updates be, as time goes on.