Why arming everyone with guns is not a good Idea.

[Jumi]

I am a criminal defence lawyer, so I deal with what you refer to (stupidly and reductively I might add) as "bad guys" on a daily basis. Sometimes 20+ of your proclaimed "bad guys" per day.

Cool. So the people you've defended and that you wisely refer to as pathetic and scared never killed anyone? That's reassuring.

Maybe stop jacking off over Die Hard movies and get a grip on real life.

Maybe that tone works in court, but it doesn't impress on a debate forum.

 

[Thief]

LOL

"the sickos"

That's your imagination buddy; your own brain.

If there are any "sickos" out there that we should be worried about, it's people like you who have this garbage floating around their heads.

where I live we have drive by shootings

return fire might curtail some of it

 

[Father Heathen]

Idiotic thing for you to suggest. There is no way to mitigate it.

I am a criminal defence lawyer, so I deal with what you refer to (stupidly and reductively I might add) as "bad guys" on a daily basis. Sometimes 20+ of your proclaimed "bad guys" per day.

Maybe stop jacking off over Die Hard movies and get a grip on real life.

"Bad guys" - you have no idea how much of an idiot using that term makes you out to be.

Gosh. So much butthurt and rage. Deep breaths, son.

 

[metis]

where I live we have drive by shootings

return fire might curtail some of it

And how many innocent people would be killed in that process? Allowing everyone to have a gun, including one's deranged uncle, ain't working out so well in case you haven't noticed. 30,000 deaths per year by guns ain't nothing to brag about, unless one is a sadist.

 

[Thief]

And how many innocent people would be killed in that process? Allowing everyone to have a gun, including one's deranged uncle, ain't working out so well in case you haven't noticed. 30,000 deaths per year by guns ain't nothing to brag about, unless one is a sadist.

have you an answer otherwise?

btw...the first rule of controlling a population .....disarm everyone

Hitler's registration law is almost a word by word copy of what we use in this state where I live

 

[Thief]

I still think return fire is important

especially if it's someone's crazy uncle with a gun....

 

[metis]

I still think return fire is important

especially if it's someone's crazy uncle with a gun....

That's not what those in law enforcement tell us.

 

[Thief]

That's not what those in law enforcement tell us.

of course the people in charge WITH the guns..... don't want you to have one.....

 

[metis]

of course the people in charge WITH the guns..... don't want you to have one.....

Just gotta love those conspiracy theories. Hey, ya better hide because those black helicopters sent by Obama are coming for ya, and if they don't getcha, the sky is falling too.

 

[MARCELLO]

They already have guns, obviously.

And they too have pedos and others...So not an excuse...That's why I love Europe.

 

[BSM1]

And they too have pedos and others...So not an excuse...That's why I love Europe.

Not an excuse, a reason I have mine.

 

[Revoltingest]

Good. I hope you had the capacity to understand it.

I'm rather slow, but eventually I figure most things out.

 

[esmith]

American firearms take as many lives as American cars; that should give some indication of what would be a proportional response to the issue.

And just where did you get your data from? I have a hard time accepting statements without the supporting facts. According to:
Firearm Fatalities As of 23 December 2015 there were 12942 people were killed by fireamrs. .
Another Source list the figures at 13404
Whereas according to Automobile Fatalities it is estimated that 38,300 people were killed in 2015 as a result of automobiles.
The figures for 2014 from Source was 32675
So whichever figures you want to use does not even come close to your statement "American firearms take as many lives as American cars"
Now I realize that you and others are passionate about your beliefs, which is fine; However passion does not trump facts. I would suggest that anyone who makes statements should research their source prior to making statements which eventually prove to be misleading or totally wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And just where did you get your data from?

The CDC:

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,804
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 33,636
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

Stats are for 2013.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

I have a hard time accepting statements without the supporting facts. According to:
Firearm Fatalities As of 23 December 2015 there were 12942 people were killed by fireamrs. .

If I had to guess at the reason for the discrepancy, it looks like your source ignores suicides.

 

[Thief]

got stats from Australia...anyone?

I heard violent crimes went up when the guns were taken away
the hospitals had their hands full

seems there's little hesitation to knife and club your fellowman...when the guns are gone

maybe a rumor?

 

[MARCELLO]

And just where did you get your data from? I have a hard time accepting statements without the supporting facts. According to:
Firearm Fatalities As of 23 December 2015 there were 12942 people were killed by fireamrs. .
Another Source list the figures at 13404
Whereas according to Automobile Fatalities it is estimated that 38,300 people were killed in 2015 as a result of automobiles.
The figures for 2014 from Source was 32675
So whichever figures you want to use does not even come close to your statement "American firearms take as many lives as American cars"
Now I realize that you and others are passionate about your beliefs, which is fine; However passion does not trump facts. I would suggest that anyone who makes statements should research their source prior to making statements which eventually prove to be misleading or totally wrong.

We perfectly know and appreciate that USA is one of the most civilized country in the world,(sure Europe is more civilized and Japan is much more,no need to argue).

Don't rely on statistics about human behavior and its accidents.

 

[Revoltingest]

We perfectly know and appreciate that USA is one of the most civilized country in the world,(sure Europe is more civilized and Japan is much more,no need to argue).
Don't rely on statistics about human behavior and its accidents.

It depends upon what one would call "civilized".
We're way ahead in free speech, gun rights, housing costs, food diversity (depending upon where one lives), blockbuster movies, etc.

 

[MARCELLO]

It depends upon what one would call "civilized".
We're way ahead in free speech, gun rights, housing costs, food diversity (depending upon where one lives), blockbuster movies, etc.

No you are not. You don't even know the basics of classical music. Opera means a browser of internet for you.

Food diversity??? It is you americaninos that attempt to eat the daphne leaves put in the fish dishes.

 

[Revoltingest]

No you are not.

I have the perfect counter to that claim.....
Yuh huh!

You don't even know the basics of classical music. Opera means a browser of internet for you.

How do you know this?
I'll have you know that I grew up watching....

Everyone here knows the song....."Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit!"

Food diversity??? It is you americaninos that attempt to eat the daphne leaves put in the fish dishes.

Once, on an airplane, I met a French fella.
We talked about travel, food, etc.
He said we have it so much better in Americastan because of our great variety.
In my small town alone, I've had Senagalese, Afghan, Italian, Vietnamese, Thai, Brazilian, Ethiopian, Lebanese, Canuckistanian, French, Greek, German, British, Irish, Polish, southern US, northern Chinese, southern Chinese, Indian, vegan, etc, etc.

As for browsers, I use Chrome.
Which isn't the shiny parts of your car.

Btw, we not only have opera, we also have ballet......

And we have Shakespeare.....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why don't you explain to me why it's bad for one who wishes to protect themselves and their family from criminals, crooked cops, drug lords, gang members and corrupt politicians? Maybe you like to be defenseless and at their mercy, but I don't.

If you're dealing with crooked cops, how on earth are you going to defend yourself and not face a mountain of legal troubles? Drug lords? Let's be realistic. And gang members? Both of those groups you aren't facing one-on-one, and if an armed group comes it your one self and one gun isn't going to be effective. Corrupt politicians? As if they're the ones you'd actually be defending yourself against. This would be an armed group of military.
Guns do not guarantee safety or even the ability and opportunity to defend yourself.

where I live we have drive by shootings

return fire might curtail some of it

How are you going to return fire? Unless you stand outside 24/7 waiting for them, the shooters are going to be done and gone by the time you could get your gun, get outside, and start looking for who did the shooting.