Why arming everyone with guns is not a good Idea.

[MARCELLO]

I have the perfect counter to that claim.....
Yuh huh!

How do you know this?
I'll have you know that I grew up watching....

Everyone here knows the song....."Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit!"

Once, on an airplane, I met a French fella.

''We like rails more...''
We talked about travel, food, etc.
He said we have it so much better in Americastan because of our great variety.
In my small town alone, I've had Senagalese, Afghan, Italian, Vietnamese, Thai, Brazilian, Ethiopian, Lebanese, Canuckistanian, French, Greek, German, British, Irish, Polish, southern US, northern Chinese, southern Chinese, Indian, vegan, etc, etc.

'' where is Mongolian food? ,have you ever tasted their lamb? ''
You are the only nation who drinks hot coffee with meat......

As for browsers, I use Chrome.
Which isn't the shiny parts of your car.

;''Again,we like rails more''

Btw, we not only have opera, we also have ballet......

'' unheart in the sector. Sure not misspelled ? Not bullet but ballet?

And we have Shakespeare.....

Which is not yours. You have Rambo. .)

 

[MARCELLO]

I have the perfect counter to that claim.....
Yuh huh!

How do you know this?
I'll have you know that I grew up watching....

Everyone here knows the song....."Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit!"

Once, on an airplane, I met a French fella.
We talked about travel, food, etc.
He said we have it so much better in Americastan because of our great variety.
In my small town alone, I've had Senagalese, Afghan, Italian, Vietnamese, Thai, Brazilian, Ethiopian, Lebanese, Canuckistanian, French, Greek, German, British, Irish, Polish, southern US, northern Chinese, southern Chinese, Indian, vegan, etc, etc.

As for browsers, I use Chrome.
Which isn't the shiny parts of your car.

Btw, we not only have opera, we also have ballet......

And we have Shakespeare.....

You can find more varieties in the poorest town in Europe ,about food. Ever tasted mongolian lamb? Pls keep in mind that you are the only nation taking hot coffee beside a meat dish.
For the ballet,sure you did not misspell? Not bullet but ballet,right? .)))))))))))

 

[Revoltingest]

Which is not yours. You have Rambo. .)

We have so much more.....
Dirty Harry
Machete Cortez
The Man With No Name
Raylan Givens
Will Munny
Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley
Bret Maverick
Archer
Seth Bullock
Django
Will Kane
Carol Peletier

 

[MARCELLO]

We have so much more.....
Dirty Harry
Machete Cortez
The Man With No Name
Raylan Givens
Will Munny
Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley
Bret Maverick
Archer
Seth Bullock
Django
Will Kane
Carol Peletier

and latest Trump

 

[jonathan180iq]

Should we arm every country with Nuclear weapons? Would that make the world a safer place?

 

[Revoltingest]

and latest Trump

Trump is not even in their league.
Now here his my kind of president (from 24, of course).....

 

[Acim]

So, I am essentially pro gun control. But not firmly. I don't fully get what the side I am allegedly on wishes for. We seem very diverse in our aims, and some of our aims strike me as insane given awareness of the playing field as it currently stands. I do think if this dialogue is to advance (within the world) it is because those on opposite sides are actually listening to each other and those on (allegedly) the same side are challenging each other.

Again, the idea that firearms make you safer is pure fantasy. In fact, you're far more likely to end up accidentally shooting yourself or a family member than you are a criminal intending you harm.

If this is true, then it would seem like a reason for no one in government/law enforcement to use/own a gun. As we all know 'friendly fire' exists and does hurt/kill people on the 'good' side, then it would seem like it lends credence to the notion that law enforcement is engaging in pure fantasy to think arms make them more safe. Yes?

Or is it that we truly think some people can use firearms in a responsible way, while others cannot?

For government, it appears (at least in theory) that all arms issued to government persons are controlled. Yet, government is also notorious for arming a whole lot of people all over the planet who have seemingly made it quite clear that they don't intend on being responsible, and may use those weapons against the people who support the government that issued them the weapon. Thus, not sure if government is the proper body for regulating/registering gun ownership. And because of this, I'm not sure who is. If it were a professional gun group that had own set of standards for what 'reasonable and responsible gun ownership' looks like, it would seem that such a group is one mistake away from being (forever) labeled 'gun nuts' who are inherently irresponsible.

If banning is ever on the table, it would seem the only way for that to work toward an end game, where no one uses a gun, is for government to take the first step. When gun control advocates are moving in that direction, do let me know as I'll suddenly have keen interest in the discussion and see how it could plausibly lead to something beyond mere words.

I've never understood how it is okay for "you" to disarm, while I keep my arms, and that is called 'reasonable gun control.' Like saying, totally okay for U.S. to have nuclear weapons, but Iran, never. And we'll call that 'reasonable.' Ya know, cause the U.S. would never start a war, and has never had terrorist types in its own borders, born to good ol' fashioned, typical Americans.

 

[MARCELLO]

Should we arm every country with Nuclear weapons? Would that make the world a safer place?

Not safer but quicker to die.

 

[Revoltingest]

Additionally, when I do see studies cited, they're presented in isolation....as though they make the argument by themselves.
Typically, studies must be examined to see what scenarios they cover, & then there's interpretation of the findings.
After this, they must be part of an argument about applicability & meaning in the real world.
Often, when I've cited Kleck's work, I'll temper his results with criticism by his foes.
Even this usually fails to reach common ground.

Getting back to this.....
It points out how so many have a blind faith in science.
When they triumphantly proclaim that "statistics show", but don't actually cite & properly use them,
this signals reliance upon faith that what they've selectively heard & remembered confirms their worldview.
How many such people have actually studied & used statistics academically or professionally?
How many do more than just link a study, as though the study makes the argument at hand.
It seems very few.
@LegionOnomaMoi is so useful here because he's a bull in our china shop regarding our use application of
such things as statistics, science, logic, & just plain looking rationally at the complicated reality we endure.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Not safer but quicker to die.

Exactly. Same principle should hold true with any weapon that makes the death of something easier to accomplish, right?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

@LegionOnomaMoi is so useful here because he's a bull in our china shop regarding our use application of
such things as statistics, science, logic, & just plain looking rationally at the complicated reality we endure.

He would like to think so (ignoring all evidence to the contrary), but even he knows how useless he is when hopped up on cold/flu medicines (and how obnoxious talking in the 3rd person is). Will have to get back to you but thanks for the invite!

 

[Revoltingest]

He would like to think so (ignoring all evidence to the contrary), but even he knows how useless he is when hopped up on cold/flu medicines (and how obnoxious talking in the 3rd person is). Will have to get back to you but thanks for the invite!

Get well.
Drink some really good hot chocolate too.
(A little whisky in it soothes the savage scientist.)

 

[Thief]

If you're dealing with crooked cops, how on earth are you going to defend yourself and not face a mountain of legal troubles? Drug lords? Let's be realistic. And gang members? Both of those groups you aren't facing one-on-one, and if an armed group comes it your one self and one gun isn't going to be effective. Corrupt politicians? As if they're the ones you'd actually be defending yourself against. This would be an armed group of military.
Guns do not guarantee safety or even the ability and opportunity to defend yourself.

How are you going to return fire? Unless you stand outside 24/7 waiting for them, the shooters are going to be done and gone by the time you could get your gun, get outside, and start looking for who did the shooting.

good points....and every gun owner does (should) consider the return of fire.

 

[Thief]

We have so much more.....
Dirty Harry
Machete Cortez
The Man With No Name
Raylan Givens
Will Munny
Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley
Bret Maverick
Archer
Seth Bullock
Django
Will Kane
Carol Peletier

you forgot James Bond

 

[Revoltingest]

you forgot James Bond

I was listing only Americastanian gunslingers.
Bond is neither!

 

[Thief]

I was listing only Americastanian gunslingers.
Bond is neither!

but his application of gun play seems soooooooo effect

 

[esmith]

Well it appears that more Americans than ever are purchasing firearms. I made the point in the past that the Obama was the best firearms salesman but it appears that the Hillary is going to give him a run for the top spot.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...or-gun-sales-five-records-hit/article/2588123

 

[Revoltingest]

Well it appears that more Americans than ever are purchasing firearms. I made the point in the past that the Obama was the best firearms salesman but it appears that the Hillary is going to give him a run for the top spot.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...or-gun-sales-five-records-hit/article/2588123

Politicians & unintended consequences go together like mosquitoes & Zika.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Cool. So the people you've defended and that you wisely refer to as pathetic and scared never killed anyone? That's reassuring.

Maybe that tone works in court, but it doesn't impress on a debate forum.

Because internet debate forums are what makes the world really turn?

I've defended many people who have killed people; as anyone with half a brain would understand that these horrible events are never open and shut and often trickle down to very subtle and complicated semantics as well as subjective elements that are always judged on their individual merits. The people who kill (including those who kill out of self defence) are, indeed, scared people who come from backgrounds and immediate dispositions that can not be described any more accurately than "pathetic".

Satisfied yet?

 

[Timothy Bryce]

got stats from Australia...anyone?

I heard violent crimes went up when the guns were taken away
the hospitals had their hands full

seems there's little hesitation to knife and club your fellowman...when the guns are gone

maybe a rumor?

Yep, you've been duped.

Australia is literally the world's greatest example of why severe gun "buybacks" and other drastic measures are an overwhelming success.

So do your research more diligently.

Or maybe the US cultural gun fetish embarrassment is a bridge to far for such a thing to be successful?