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Why Atheism is Appealing

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Life's struggle in general is a full plate, why add to it with beyond death worries? I don't worry about what my balance is in god's soul checkbook. If you want to get along well in life you try to live a life that promotes a synergistic lifestyle with the rest of the humans in your community. Don't steal, killing people is bad, lying isn't that great either, help people if you see they need help, also not raping people seems like a good idea, even though there isn't a rule specifically against it in the christians handbook, and zero punishment for men in Islam, don't thigh your infant daughters, how that is permissible in Islam I will never understand.. You know the "Don't be a d*ckhead policy in life." Not terribly hard.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Pretty much. Today they just pretend if you never mention sex around teens they'll naturally have no interests, curiosities, or urges to have it.


They tried that in Crane, TX, the just say no to sex till marriage, that's it, that was their sex ed program....wanna know the results? 98% of the high school's population had an STD. good job there.

Texas high school with chlamydia outbreak has abstinence-only sex ed

I happened to stop in Crane on the way to Odessa, read the paper there while stopped. oh man, it was hilarious and sad. But yeah, what could go wrong when you tell a bunch of hormone raging teens hey dude, don't have sex, you'll be cool and that's it.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Are lemmings free of restraint?
That's been my contention. "Some"atheists are Idiotic Christians without jesus... I mean really.... allowing religion to dictate how the term God is understood is a joke.


Please note atheists i said "SOME"... Many are just recovering from religious dysfunction growing up. I understand that reaction.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
That is a rather narrow quotation and doesn't really reflect the full scope of his discussion, including his previous paragraph where he condems it as a opposite extreme.
Here is the full (legal) text:
Full text of "Ends And Means"


For my part this never entered my atheism, which was much more about being honest with myself and simply admitting I didn't believe. Not trying to keep up a farce.
My behavior changed very little. I've only had one sexual partner (My husband).
Huxley is difficult and most certainly not anti spiritual so to speak. I take him as an artist being reactionary to really art criticism or theology. I mean what is theology exactly? Its rare it hits the wowser stage.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Many are just recovering from religious dysfunction growing up. I understand that reaction.
Yup. I went through a phase for a few years hating Christians and especially Christianity. As equally as I had loved it.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Unfortunately, many professed Christians are no different.

But fortunately for myself as a JW, I belong to an organization that follows the Scriptures (1 Cornthians 5) and removes those who are practicers of immorality. (Sadly, that number is in the thousands every year. This world and its leanings make fornication and adultery quite a pull, for some.)
Hmm
Leaked documents reveal the Jehovah’s Witnesses church attempted to cover up a sex scandal

Thirty-three letters and internal documents, leaked Tuesday by the transparency organization FaithLeaks, expose a series of sexual abuse accusations against a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses church and the efforts the church made to cover up the scandal and keep it from the “worldly court of law.”

The documents, written between 1999 and 2012, are communications between church leaders and the church’s legal entities, a group referred to collectively as Watchtower. They detail accusations of sexual abuse from three separate accusers.

In 1999, a committee of church elders determined that the allegations of two young women who said their father had sexually abused them were true. One of the young women said she had been tied to a bed by her father and had her vagina examined for signs of masturbation when she was as young as five. The accuser’s sister also said her father had started to “fondle and touch” her when she was only three years old. The woman also said she was repeatedly raped by her father between the ages of eight and 12. The young woman said her father would sit on her bed and cry and pray after raping her.

Nevertheless, the church leaders opted not to take action immediately because one of the accusers did not want to face her father and make a formal complaint, an action required by the church’s judicial committee. An in-church trial was eventually held years later, which resulted in the temporary and brief excommunication of the father.

The documents reveal that church leaders pressured the accuser and her husband not to report the abuse to secular law enforcement officials. Police had questioned the accused man, but official charges were never brought against him.

Jehovah's Witnesses did not protect children from abuse, inquiry finds
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
The man I saw once when returning from school with his dick in his hand touching it and smiling must have been an atheist.:shrug:
But not mentally unstable/ill?

really?

Because when I see people masturbating in public, I generally don't immediately think about their beliefs.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I've heard a Catholic priest, who is a psychiatrist too, say that Saint Paul has created a deformed vision of sexuality, because from a medical point of view, he probably was a man with bipolar disorder and a sick sexuality.

The same priest underlined that God wants two people to love each other and express this love through sexuality.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
I don't see the issue with someone having more than one partner in their lives. I've had a few. While I'd like to stick with one person who works out as I hope, that doesn't always tend to be the case. People defy expectations and partners grow apart. We're not always so lucky. I can say that I've learned a lot from my past relationships, though.
 
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Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
I've heard a Catholic priest, who is a psychiatrist too, say that Saint Paul has created a deformed vision of sexuality, because from a medical point of view, he probably was a man with bipolar disorder and a sick sexuality.

The same priest underlined that God wants two people to love each other and express this love through sexuality.
Funny. Sex and love are not the same thing.. love is beautiful - sex is ugly.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Why is it so important that one person who has only had one partner to another that has multiple partners throughout their life? It seems odd that so much importance is placed on such a characteristic. Not everyone is monogamous, and it would be sad indeed to attempt to force a population into a bottleneck like being strictly monogamous.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Hmm
Leaked documents reveal the Jehovah’s Witnesses church attempted to cover up a sex scandal

Thirty-three letters and internal documents, leaked Tuesday by the transparency organization FaithLeaks, expose a series of sexual abuse accusations against a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses church and the efforts the church made to cover up the scandal and keep it from the “worldly court of law.”

The documents, written between 1999 and 2012, are communications between church leaders and the church’s legal entities, a group referred to collectively as Watchtower. They detail accusations of sexual abuse from three separate accusers.

In 1999, a committee of church elders determined that the allegations of two young women who said their father had sexually abused them were true. One of the young women said she had been tied to a bed by her father and had her vagina examined for signs of masturbation when she was as young as five. The accuser’s sister also said her father had started to “fondle and touch” her when she was only three years old. The woman also said she was repeatedly raped by her father between the ages of eight and 12. The young woman said her father would sit on her bed and cry and pray after raping her.

Nevertheless, the church leaders opted not to take action immediately because one of the accusers did not want to face her father and make a formal complaint, an action required by the church’s judicial committee. An in-church trial was eventually held years later, which resulted in the temporary and brief excommunication of the father.

The documents reveal that church leaders pressured the accuser and her husband not to report the abuse to secular law enforcement officials. Police had questioned the accused man, but official charges were never brought against him.

Jehovah's Witnesses did not protect children from abuse, inquiry finds
Are you saying we don't remove practices of immorality?

I read the correspondence, it all seemed open and above board.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Are you saying we don't remove practices of immorality?

I read the correspondence, it all seemed open and above board.

I think that cases that would irrefutably damage the reputation of the organization like these cases in particular, are likely attempted to be solved in-house rather than in public and solved with the secular justice system, except I think in cases like these the victim is ignored almost entirely. Where is the justice in that? No repercussions to the accused other than a public apology to the congregation, and maybe on the side, hey sorry I stole your childhood and possibly emotionally ruined you for life.

And instead of seeking justice, like real justice they want the problem to go away, not solve it. There is a bias in seeking closure.
 
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