Why be against universal healthcare?

[Valjean]

I am (and most people that are for socialized medicine) against several parts of the ACA but rather than throw it out and start over (most likely never having it pass) but just amend the law we already have in place.

A decent government insurance that is cheap with the option to have a more expensive "better" plan.

No need, really, to "start over." We already have a socialized system (VA) and a single payer system (Medicare) up and running. Either of these could simply be extended to cover more of the population

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

No need, really, to "start over." We already have a socialized system (VA) and a single payer system (Medicare) up and running. Either of these could simply be extended to cover more of the population

:yes::yes:

 

[MysticSang'ha]

No need, really, to "start over." We already have a socialized system (VA) and a single payer system (Medicare) up and running. Either of these could simply be extended to cover more of the population

I always wondered if the TRICARE system of the military could be extended to cover the population in general. I need to look into whether or not it is experiencing budget problems with coverage and/or quality of care.

I am also assuming that extension of any system is more complex than simply opening the doors. But when we were an active duty military family, I do remember the difference in cost (which was massive) compared to the difference in quality (which was notable, but very palatable).

The most we ever paid out of pocket for health care when hubbie was active duty military was $15. That was when I gave birth. Otherwise, nothing was out-of-pocket for us. MRI's, screenings, bloodwork, prescription medications, pediatrician visits, etc. Nothing.

As a private citizen, I have medical bills that we're paying off bit by bit that's the size of a mortgage. I've wondered why I was somehow entitled to medical care that hasn't put me in debt when we were a military family as opposed to private insurance-covered medical care that has me in massive debt to where I'm not considered entitled to.

It's a curiosity that has stayed with me for a while now. Over 15 years.

 

[Apex]

I always wondered if the TRICARE system of the military could be extended to cover the population in general. I need to look into whether or not it is experiencing budget problems with coverage and/or quality of care.

I am also assuming that extension of any system is more complex than simply opening the doors. But when we were an active duty military family, I do remember the difference in cost (which was massive) compared to the difference in quality (which was notable, but very palatable).

The most we ever paid out of pocket for health care when hubbie was active duty military was $15. That was when I gave birth. Otherwise, nothing was out-of-pocket for us. MRI's, screenings, bloodwork, prescription medications, pediatrician visits, etc. Nothing.

As a private citizen, I have medical bills that we're paying off bit by bit that's the size of a mortgage. I've wondered why I was somehow entitled to medical care that hasn't put me in debt when we were a military family as opposed to private insurance-covered medical care that has me in massive debt to where I'm not considered entitled to.

It's a curiosity that has stayed with me for a while now. Over 15 years.

We just got a $500 bill from tricare for some blood work they refused to cover for my wife...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

We just got a $500 bill from tricare for some blood work they refused to cover for my wife...

Yikes. Guess some things have changed, then.

 

[Copernicus]

I'm not terribly happy with Medicare, which still piles a lot of the cost burden on those in the system. You really need to get a medigap plan, if you can afford it. Still, it is affordable and a lot better than being forced to buy private insurance. The worst possible system is to go backwards to the status quo before Obamacare. We need to move forward, not backward. Universal Medicare would probably be easier than trying to extend the VA system. We have to find a path from the status quo to a nationalized health care policy.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

No need, really, to "start over." We already have a socialized system (VA) and a single payer system (Medicare) up and running. Either of these could simply be extended to cover more of the population

It would mean cutting Obamacare from the get go and I would call that "starting over". Though either of your suggestions that would be then pulled across the whole of the population would be a good idea.