Why be muslim?

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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Provided us with evidence that Christianity is not a religion essence of love and peace ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

According to Islam, the last prophet is Muhammad peace be upon him and Quraan is the Word of God.

According to the Quraan,

3:19 Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

If that is was proved to be true, why would one not be a muslim ?

You answer the questions in my previous posts
1. Are you able to accept my faith in God only
2. The Belief in one God
3. I do not believe that the Prophet Muhammad
4. Is this faith accepted ??
5. Why is involved Mohammed with God in faith ?
6. How to prove the prophecy of Muhammad
7. Do you know how revelation came between the thighs Aisha
8. How to prove that the word of God ??
9 - Quran which states by jinn ?
It is Al-Jinn ??

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

These websites I suggest to black-list from ever going to again:

Lol. Or how 'bout not?

*whispers* Panentheists.

Panentheism is a form of monotheism. It just describes the relationship of the deity to this universe.

 

[Zulk-Dharma]

Lol. Or how 'bout not?

Now we know the reason for your misunderstanding of the faith...

Regardless, I've read some of your posts, it doesn't seem to be productive to waste my time to argue with you, you don't seem to learn from mistakes.

 

[Bunyip]

Why be Muslim?

Hmmm....first thing that pops to mind is that there are some truly awesome Muslims and some people might want to be like them.
Good experiences of people can be enough to justify an attraction to a religion (as can bad of course), I reckon that a great many converts to all faiths stem from an interaction with a really cool and inspiring Muslim, Christian, Buddist and so on.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Mysticism in Islam contraptions that has fought and eliminated

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Why be Muslim?

Hmmm....first thing that pops to mind is that there are some truly awesome Muslims and some people might want to be like them.
Good experiences of people can be enough to justify an attraction to a religion (as can bad of course), I reckon that a great many converts to all faiths stem from an interaction with a really cool and inspiring Muslim, Christian, Buddist and so on.

Religion is the most beautiful , which calls for peace and love, even if they are pagan ?? J

 

[Bunyip]

Religion is the most beautiful , which calls for peace and love, even if they are pagan ?? J

I have seen the beauty of the Quran. It is not for me to judge these things. What matters is what makes you a good man.

 

[Bunyip]

Religion is the most beautiful , which calls for peace and love, even if they are pagan ?? J

Nothing wrong with paganism buddy, I lean a lot that way myself.

 

[Treks]

Lol. Or how 'bout not?


Panentheism is a form of monotheism. It just describes the relationship of the deity to this universe.

Nope, sayeth Wikipedia:

Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greekπᾶνpân ("all"), ἐνen ("in") and ΘεόςTheós ("God")) is a belief system which posits that the divine – whether as a single God, number of gods, or other form of "cosmic animating force"[1] – interpenetrates every part of the universe and extends, timelessly (and, presumably, spacelessly) beyond it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Now we know the reason for your misunderstanding of the faith...

Regardless, I've read some of your posts, it doesn't seem to be productive to waste my time to argue with you, you don't seem to learn from mistakes.

Aww. Look at me, I'm bawling my eyes out here.

Blacklisting a site because you disagree with it is ridiculous. It's good to examine all points of view to arrive at a point approaching the truth. Those sites are important to understanding Islam, just as a site like this: Bad News About Christianity - What is so Bad about Christianity? is important to understanding Christianity.

 

[Zulk-Dharma]

Blacklisting a site because you disagree with it is ridiculous.

That is not what I said, you're deliberately twisting my words here and desperately trying to justify your inane reasoning for why you visit those sites and use them as sources for your allegations. None of those sites are accepted, from an academic point of view.

They are pseudo-historical, weak sourced, pseudo-scholarly, outright bigoted websites spewing stupid conspiracy theories and unsophisticated, basic half-truths about various topics, that's an objective fact.

I'm not "disagreeing" with them, they are not criticizing Islam here that is the problem, the problem is that they are disguising themselves as encyclopedias about Islam and deceiving people who thinks these websites are genuine and fair in their sources, when they are certainly not from an impartial perspective.

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, read a book. You're the one being ridiculous if you think any of those websites here are anything more than stupid bloggers sharing their historical and religious ignorance with non-credible sources.

It's good to examine all points of view to arrive at a point approaching the truth.

True and I do read those, however, these websites here are not about showing their viewpoints, it's their blatant bigotry trying desperately to put a religion into bad light, disguising themselves as encyclopedias, with poor sources/citations.

Those sites are important to understanding Islam

If you want to read good criticisms about Islam, read it from a rational being like Salman Rushdie who is virtually always fair in his reasoning.These websites still are incredible.

just as a site like this: Bad News About Christianity - What is so Bad about Christianity? is important to understanding Christianity.

It depends, is it fair in its reasoning? Does it cite OT verses or NT verses to show Christianity in bad light? Is the sources they cite seconded by theologians, critics, scholars (etc.) about Christianity? If not, it's as bad.

What we are talking about is whether its claims are reliable. Whether it's informative. If it's just a blog, then it holds no value, if it proclaim itself as an acclaimed encyclopedia of Islam or implies it, when it's not and just about some narrow-minded individuals that know nothing about the history of Islam or pick and chooses the (seemingly) bad parts about the history of 7th century Islam, then we have a problem.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I have seen the beauty of the Quran. It is not for me to judge these things. What matters is what makes you a good man.

Where is the beauty in Islam ??
Mohammed said he lie in the Messenger of Allah ??
Or lie in the Qur'an came down from heaven ??
Or lie in it is the word of God ??
Or the teachings of Islam ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

That is not what I said, you're deliberately twisting my words here and desperately trying to justify your inane reasoning for why you visit those sites and use them as sources for your allegations. None of those sites are accepted, from an academic point of view.

They are pseudo-historical, weak sourced, pseudo-scholarly, outright bigoted websites spewing stupid conspiracy theories and unsophisticated, basic half-truths about various topics, that's an objective fact.

I'm not "disagreeing" with them, they are not criticizing Islam here that is the problem, the problem is that they are disguising themselves as encyclopedias about Islam and deceiving people who thinks these websites are genuine and fair in their sources, when they are certainly not from an impartial perspective.

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, read a book. You're the one being ridiculous if you think any of those websites here are anything more than stupid bloggers sharing their historical and religious ignorance with non-credible sources.

What are the important sources in Islam ??
1. It Koran
2. Reasons for verses
3. The words of Muhammad
It teaches the Koran speaks in two ways
First that eliminates his mind and issued voices parrot
The second occupies his mind and says the full facts
Here we do it

If you want to read good criticisms about Islam, read it from a rational being like Salman Rushdie who is virtually always fair in his reasoning.These websites still are incredible.

Salman Rushdie wrote about the state and one of only the Koran ( own verse to enter the devil to San Muhammad ( when he said ( Lat and Uzza and Manat the third and leads expect to Chweathen )
If you want to learn Islam scientifically
There is a wonderful book of original Belgian writer
Date of printing the book at the end of the eighteenth century
Arab version of the early nineteenth century
Name of the book ( the balance right ) Author Name van tesdel

It depends, is it fair in its reasoning? Does it cite OT verses or NT verses to show Christianity in bad light? Is the sources they cite seconded by theologians, critics, scholars (etc.) about Christianity? If not, it's as bad.

What we are talking about is whether its claims are reliable. Whether it's informative. If it's just a blog, then it holds no value, if it proclaim itself as an acclaimed encyclopedia of Islam or implies it, when it's not and just about some narrow-minded individuals that know nothing about the history of Islam or pick and chooses the (seemingly) bad parts about the history of 7th century Islam, then we have a problem.

What is the history of Islam ??
From the beginning of Islam ??
Invasions ?? ?? spoils women ??
And to this day the same episodes themselves ??
Islam is the last in Swords
The present is guns and improvised explosive devices and suicide bombers
All these commit suicide in order to name the nymphs lie in paradise ??? e
And also the book (the priest and prophet ) Author Abu Musa al-Hariri name
And also Mohammed and Christ
And also the book ( the Koran call Nsrenah )
And also wrote Farag Foda (Indeed, absent )

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is not what I said, you're deliberately twisting my words here and desperately trying to justify your inane reasoning for why you visit those sites and use them as sources for your allegations. None of those sites are accepted, from an academic point of view.

They are pseudo-historical, weak sourced, pseudo-scholarly, outright bigoted websites spewing stupid conspiracy theories and unsophisticated, basic half-truths about various topics, that's an objective fact.

I'm not "disagreeing" with them, they are not criticizing Islam here that is the problem, the problem is that they are disguising themselves as encyclopedias about Islam and deceiving people who thinks these websites are genuine and fair in their sources, when they are certainly not from an impartial perspective.

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, read a book. You're the one being ridiculous if you think any of those websites here are anything more than stupid bloggers sharing their historical and religious ignorance with non-credible sources. True and I do read those, however, these websites here are not about showing their viewpoints, it's their blatant bigotry trying desperately to put a religion into bad light, disguising themselves as encyclopedias, with poor sources/citations. If you want to read good criticisms about Islam, read it from a rational being like Salman Rushdie who is virtually always fair in his reasoning.These websites still are incredible.
It depends, is it fair in its reasoning? Does it cite OT verses or NT verses to show Christianity in bad light? Is the sources they cite seconded by theologians, critics, scholars (etc.) about Christianity? If not, it's as bad.

What we are talking about is whether its claims are reliable. Whether it's informative. If it's just a blog, then it holds no value, if it proclaim itself as an acclaimed encyclopedia of Islam or implies it, when it's not and just about some narrow-minded individuals that know nothing about the history of Islam or pick and chooses the (seemingly) bad parts about the history of 7th century Islam, then we have a problem.

Nowhere did I say that those sites are the only places I get information about Islam from. But they useful in that they do raise questions and topics that still need an answer. I have not seen reasonable refutations of the problems those sites bring up, either in literature or in discussions with Muslims themselves. But you go right ahead and act all patronizing. Doesn't make a difference.

 

[Sabour]

But truthfully how do you know Abrahamic religions are true?

That would take a deep research and hunger to find truth. There is nothing to prove for someone who is no interested in the truth. ( I think)

In my opinion, answering that question should be first self initiated

 

[Sabour]

When a religion employs the (dirty) tactic of threats, it makes me sad, and just gives the impression that it is desperate to pressure people into converting, or holding on to the people it already has with fear of punishment.

I much prefer Rabia Basri's attitude:

Which kind of threat?

If I told you don't play with fire, you will burn your hands, do you consider this a threat? Actually it is a threat if it were not true.

Regards.

 

[Treks]

Which kind of threat?

If I told you don't play with fire, you will burn your hands, do you consider this a threat? Actually it is a threat if it were not true.

Regards.

Threat here in bold.

3:19 Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

I'll provide more examples if you'd like.

 

[Sabour]

Threat here in bold.



I'll provide more examples if you'd like.

I see your point.

However, that should not be a concern for anyone if he/she doesn't believe in the Quraan.

Besides that, as a muslim I would advice you to take a comprehensive look at the message of the Quraan. We can always find scary lines in the most romantic love stories if we cut and paste.

I am not saying there is no punishment for certain people, justice requires that. What I am saying is that Islam is a complete way of life and to judge it one should take a comprehensive look at understand the context.

Just to clarify, in the verse that you bolded, it is talking about the people who denied the truth about the prophets and about God even though they knew that it was the truth. They tried to decieve people from the right path.

 

[Treks]

Sadly, it seems that "certain people" includes people who choose to live in a way that is different to Islam's complete way of life.