Why Believe Jesus Never Had Sex?

[sealchan]

Is there no evidence outside the Bible that shows it is authentic? Or is it not evident that no matter how much proof is presented, it still would not satisfy the ones who do not want to live by Bible standards?

There is plenty of proof but first Gods word must be understood not as only literal instruction, but also as inspired literature written by humans with knowledge limited by their cultures development and time. Also it must be understood that some of the Bible is inspired by myth and stories from other cultures.

To read it otherwise as literal history and unbiased philosophy is to perpetually run the risk of claiming one acts in the name of God while actually moving forward Satans agenda by judging in the name of God.

 

[nPeace]

I can't be guided if I don't first stand up and choose a direction.

You said it correctly - stand up and choose a direction.
That is a choice we all have to make.
So may I ask, what direction you have chosen.

Gods children are not mere pawns on Satans chessboard, we are living, breathing thinking beings with hearts capable of good and bad decisions and minds capable of contemplating our own, others and Gods understanding.

Sounds reasonable.

If you think Gods word merely provides a simple set of rules for human behaviour then you have missed fully half of Gods word.

I don't think that at all.
Rather, I believe that there are many examples, which help up understand God's ways and thinking. I believe we also learn principles from those examples, and from things spoken, that can guide us in making proper decisions in line with God's thinking.

I believe the Bible is a book from God, just as a manual is from a manufacturer. What do you think about the Bible?

If you think you understand fully in clear rational terms what God wants, then I do not think you know God.

I don't think there is any man on earth that understands fully - except it be related to human communication. I don't even believe we can fully understand human emotions, or how someone feels, although we can understand to a degree.
Do you think we can know God? How so?

 

[nPeace]

There is plenty of proof but first Gods word must be understood not as only literal instruction, but also as inspired literature written by humans with knowledge limited by their cultures development and time. Also it must be understood that some of the Bible is inspired by myth and stories from other cultures.

I believe there is plenty indeed. Can you give me two at least?

How would you go about proving to someone that "Gods word must be understood not as only literal instruction, but also as inspired literature written by humans with knowledge limited by their cultures development and time. Also it must be understood that some of the Bible is inspired by myth and stories from other cultures."?

I take it you don't agree with the scriptures that say the writing were inspired by God - in other words God breathed, in that he guided them in thought by means of spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; 2 Peter 2:21
Why don't you believe the scriptures are inspired by God?

To read it otherwise as literal history and unbiased philosophy is to perpetually run the risk of claiming one acts in the name of God while actually moving forward Satans agenda by judging in the name of God.

Why do you think so?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but I feel I should respond. Jehovah has stayed out of human affairs, due to the issues raised in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 3:1-6) Issues dealing with sovereignty, ie., who has the right and ability to rule mankind? (The book of Job chapters 1 & 2 also reveals other were raised.)
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Except when he didn't: See the last half of Genesis, all of Exodus, etc, etc, etc....

As for "who has the right and ability to rule mankind?"

That is Might Makes Right-- which is a failed idea, and considered Immoral.

For these issues to be settled, it required that Jehovah let men rule themselves, without His interference. (He has interfered, at times fervently, when it comes to protecting His people.) He has provided a 1500-page letter for those willing to accept it, teaching us about Himself and how we should treat each other. (Ex: Philippians 2:2-3) Even about truths regarding death, and our past, and how this world became alienated from Him..

Except when he didn't allow men to rule themselves: See the Noah Flood story for the worst example. But also Moses in Egypt for another example.

But, for all the pain mankind has endured, and still does — and it’s been a lot, Jehovah knows that each individual only suffers 70 to 80 years (If there’s much suffering, even less time); then, they ‘RIP’, until the Resurrection comes. - John 5:28-29; Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

Take care.

So the "suffering" is just FINE, so long as it's not Infinite? What about Hell, then?

ooooops!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Actually, there is quite a bit of information about the Apostles... but the storyline is more about Jesus.

Yes, if you permit non-biblical sources, the majority of which were written even later than the NT's.

It's a pity the original sources for the 4 gospels were not preserved (but are hinted at, and even refereed to in biblical scholarship writings).

As I recall, it is thought there were two distinct sources for the Gospel stories, often named with a single letter (the only one I remember, the "J" source? I think that's right... been too long)

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You call all Creationist liars? What a serious call to make.
Of course you are aware that to make a statement such as that without any proof to back it up is called a baseless claim.

Here are some other terms for, and related to baseless.
groundless - not based on any good reason.
invalid - not valid; not true, correct, acceptable or appropriate.
unfounded -
having no strong foundation; not based on solid reasons or facts.
unreasonable - without the ability to reason; unreasoning.
unsubstantiated - lacking substantiation; without evidence.
unsupported - - without confirmation from a credible source, without verifying support
unwarranted - unjustified, inappropriate or undeserved.
illogical - contrary to logic; lacking sense or sound reasoning.
irrational - not rational; unfounded or nonsensical.
unconscionable - excessive, imprudent or unreasonable.
unsound...

No-- I called all Creationist Websites as deliberately spreading falsehoods. Subtle, but distinct difference

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No. None of those links had any reference to the Bible. Look again.

False. I was correct-- as they are all Creationist Links-- which are incapable of dissemination fact from fiction, because the authors don't understand the difference.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Please point out exactly where I made a claim to prove a claim, and please provide your evidence to support your claims that what I used were claims - from this post alone.

You cannot use the bible to "prove" the bible. Sorry, but that's exactly what you (and your false links) attempt to do.

 

[Kenny]

Yes, if you permit non-biblical sources, the majority of which were written even later than the NT's.

It's a pity the original sources for the 4 gospels were not preserved (but are hinted at, and even refereed to in biblical scholarship writings).

As I recall, it is thought there were two distinct sources for the Gospel stories, often named with a single letter (the only one I remember, the "J" source? I think that's right... been too long)

Yes... we already determined that you have no idea about dating the books and as Bob the UNBELIEVER, you like to skew information.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Please point out exactly where I made a claim to prove a claim, and please provide your evidence to support your claims that what I used were claims - from this post alone.

Your first line from THIS POST ALONE, contains a blatant falsehood:

"There can be no denying it. The evidence supports the truthfulness, and accuracy of the Bible in relation to it being historical accurate, prophetically reliable, and overall harmony."

You cannot sustain that statement, as the bible can easily be shown to contain falsehoods.

The most obvious? It's description of the earth as a flat plate or disc, resting on four pillars, and over-topped by a crystal dome structure. We know that simply isn't true. And so that proves the bible is inaccurate.

There are other glaring falsehoods as well: Talking animals, flaming shrubbery, flooding the entire planet, etc.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes... we already determined that you have no idea about dating the books and as Bob the UNBELIEVER, you like to skew information.

Well, unlike you? I refer to actual History, instead of magical thinking (faith).

So there's that...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes... we already determined that you have no idea about dating the books and as Bob the UNBELIEVER, you like to skew information.

Well, if by "skew" you mean, read it exactly as written?

Sure... why not? I left my Magic Decoder Ring somewhere or other, when I left my faith by the wayside.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I think that is a humanistic approach. Just what is "sexual compatibility"? As far as what it seems like, you either can do it or, for psychological or physical reasons, you can't.

Certainly, in a Christian perspective, you shouldn't but enjoy all you want when you are married. (with the person you are married to)

Why limit marriage to just two people, then? Why do you wish to impose YOUR interpretation of an ancient Bronze Age book?

Because that book seems just fine with group marriages (Acts) and multiple wives (too many to list), yet christians such as you, oppose anything other than man/woman.

In fact? Many christians don't even permit divorced people to remarry, if they had control.. or worse--prevent the divorce from even happening.

Religion Freedom means you do not get to impose YOUR values onto everyone else.

Which also means that people who wish to engage in sex-- with our without the formality of marriage-- don't have to ask YOU for permission-- or anyone ELSE, for that matter (so long as everyone involved is an adult).

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Celibacy for clergy was not the rule in the church until the Lateran Council in 1139 — 1000 years after Christ.



You’re welcome.

Yep. Look at the context, too: It was a way the Catholic Church was able to seize property-- because prior to that, Priests would marry, have kids, and pass down to their offspring, the house/property they owned.

After the pope declared all priests' marriages Null And Void? He also included that ALL property of said priest, reverted to the Church's ownership upon the priest's death.

Created a lot of unmarried women, it did, and a lot of fatherless children too. Quite a stink at the time, in fact..

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I wonder if you would think that same way if you were ruling a domain, and 99.999% of your subjects were like this "twisted genocidal entity".
Would you kill all 99.999%? Perhaps cause them a bit of discomfort - maybe by putting them all in burning barrels and roll them down a hill?
Honestly, what would you do?.

1) Might Makes Right is a failed idea

2) I'm not a GOD, but I would think that an All Powerful, All Knowing deity could have done something OTHER than wiping out everyone on the entire planet, JUST because god gets mad at a tiny part of it...

Especially considering the people in question were behaving exactly as they were created to behave.

 

[Kenny]

Religion Freedom means you do not get to impose YOUR values onto everyone else.

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Hmmm... again, skewed information. I am not imposing my values on anyone. You are a free-will spiritual agent, you can live your life however you want.

We were having a discussion here.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Looking for excuses to break God's law will never get us anywhere.
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So. You never-EVER ate a Cheeseburger in your life? Because your "God's Law" forbids all cheeseburgers.

You never EVER wore modern cotton blended fabrics? Because your "God's Law" forbids mixed fabrics.

And so on, and so on, and so on-- down the list of more that 600 God's Laws I have no doubt you are now just ignoring...

But here's my POINT:

## Breaking God's Law permitted Newton to invent that whole Physics Thing, which proved the bible was wrong about the earth being at the Center of the Universe

## Breaking God's Law permitted Science to displace Religion, as the Principle Method of Discovery.

Without which, your computer would never have been invented in the first place...

And the #1 Breaking God's Law? Finally permitted Gays to Marry in the USA, making for millions of Happy People who were formally not-that-happy.

So I have to disagree with your statement.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Hmmm... again, skewed information. I am not imposing my values on anyone. You are a free-will spiritual agent, you can live your life however you want.

We were having a discussion here.

If you are and continue to, promoting the bible?

You are attempting to impose YOUR version of it onto others. That kinda goes with supporting it, actually...

 

[Kenny]

If you are and continue to, promoting the bible?

You are attempting to impose YOUR version of it onto others. That kinda goes with supporting it, actually...

Again... skewed interpretation.

The OP is about Jesus, which comes from Biblical text. If you don't want to talk about the OP, why are you commenting?

PS.

I didn't start the OP

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What is your view sealchan... is "your morality" in harmony with God's?

Who cares if it is or isn't? What you keep forgetting, is that "God's Morality" includes the taking of War Brides, that rape victims must marry their rapist (or be stoned to death), and that it is "moral" to punish the children -- to the Nth generation (where "N"=infinity) for the failures of the parents.

And that it's just fine to destroy the whole planet, including all the innocent animals, JUST to "punish" a fraction of it's inhabitants.

I've seen the "morality" of your god-- and it's an ugly one. Unworthy, really.