Why Believe Jesus Never Had Sex?

[ecco]

Sorry. I am very busy at the moment. I will not have time to continue our discussion.

Oakey Dokey

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Okay. The strong do not have the battle..

What does that even mean? I think you have wandered out of actual reality a wee bit.

We'll see which is stronger... eventually.

Aaaaaaannnd back with the threats. Why is that? Why is it that christians-- who preach that "jesus loves you", always stoop to the threats in the end, when they are loosing an argument?

I suppose the fact that your "best" idea is only one people can test after they die?

Kinda sad, really. And makes the god they believe in? To be PURE EVIL.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I recognize your ire; I don’t understand it. You should understand my position as clergy. I’m not going to join this issue with you in the interest of fostering amity. We agree on many issues; you seem reasonable. Let’s not “go there,” shall we?

Fair enough. I do sometimes wonder how one deals with the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Oh now you are really stretching your ideas. Be careful they don't strangle you as you stretch them as long as possible.
You should write you own book, and then critique it.

Not at all-- I'm showing YOU the consequences of your claims.

You just don't like it much, because it paints your god to be evil-- which it is.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Correction. Scientist - not science - Scientists has studied human DNA... and applied what they learned to a hypothesis - an idea, which cannot be proven to be true..

False. Proven to be true to any level of truth you choose-- you just don't like it, because it definitively proves your bible is false on multiple counts.

And you knew what I meant when I wrote "science" as opposed to "scientists" -- so that's just a nit you are picking.

So you have proved nothing but your faith. Your non-belief.

Nope. I don't need faith-- I have evidence, facts, and knowledge. In contrast to you, who has nothing.

 

[nPeace]

What does that even mean? I think you have wandered out of actual reality a wee bit.



Aaaaaaannnd back with the threats. Why is that? Why is it that christians-- who preach that "jesus loves you", always stoop to the threats in the end, when they are loosing an argument?

I suppose the fact that your "best" idea is only one people can test after they die?

Kinda sad, really. And makes the god they believe in? To be PURE EVIL.

You feel threatened by that?
Seems like you are living in fear. That would be no one's fault but your own.
How is, "We'll see eventually." a threat? Let's hear this one.

 

[nPeace]

Not at all-- I'm showing YOU the consequences of your claims.

You just don't like it much, because it paints your god to be evil-- which it is.

It really doesn't bother me what your canvas looks like. I'm buying it.

 

[nPeace]

False. Proven to be true to any level of truth you choose-- you just don't like it, because it definitively proves your bible is false on multiple counts.

And you knew what I meant when I wrote "science" as opposed to "scientists" -- so that's just a nit you are picking.



Nope. I don't need faith-- I have evidence, facts, and knowledge. In contrast to you, who has nothing.

Proven? <Gasp> <Choke> Okay.

 

[ecco]

We'll see which is stronger... eventually.

Late last night I was flipping channels and came across the last 15 minutes of the movie Sausage Party. In the movie, foods can walk and talk and think. The basics of the plot are that foods believe that the humans who buy them are Gods and when they leave the store, they are being taken to Heaven.

One of the foods, Frank - a hot dog, finds out that the humans actually eat the foods. He tries to convince the other foods that humans are not Gods, they are monsters and that Heaven is not what the foods believe it to be.

I don't want to give away too much, but with its irreverence, promiscuity and drug use, It's probably not the kind of movie you would enjoy. On the other hand, maybe it's exactly the kind of Movie you need to see.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You feel threatened by that?
Seems like you are living in fear. That would be no one's fault but your own.
How is, "We'll see eventually." a threat? Let's hear this one.

No! I don't believe in anything your carefully cherry-picked "bible" says (according to you).

Fear? Hardly-- if I cared or truly feared, I'd still be a Genuine Christian, groveling for a wee bit of recognition from the narcissistic biblegod.

I'm simply pointing out to you, that your attempt to use fear as a motivation to believe in your monster-god doesn't work.

It's indicative of the level of cognitive dissonance you must feel, to recognize your god has to use fear tactics to get and keep followers.

That is not something a Loving Being would need to do...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It really doesn't bother me what your canvas looks like. I'm buying it.

Not my canais: I don't actually believe it's real. But, sadly, you apparently do.

And you are buying the evil, the torture, the misogyny, etc, etc, etc.

Not something a "loving" being would need to stoop to....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Proven? <Gasp> <Choke> Okay.

Yep. You can deny-deny-deny all you like, but it remains factual: The adam/eve story never took place, and neither did noah.

Sad, that you still believe in Adult Fairy Tales, isn't it?

 

[nPeace]

No! I don't believe in anything your carefully cherry-picked "bible" says (according to you).

Fear? Hardly-- if I cared or truly feared, I'd still be a Genuine Christian, groveling for a wee bit of recognition from the narcissistic biblegod.

I'm simply pointing out to you, that your attempt to use fear as a motivation to believe in your monster-god doesn't work.

It's indicative of the level of cognitive dissonance you must feel, to recognize your god has to use fear tactics to get and keep followers.

That is not something a Loving Being would need to do...

Oh. you can't demonstrate how, "We'll see eventually." a threat?
Expected.

 

[nPeace]

Not my canais: I don't actually believe it's real. But, sadly, you apparently do.

And you are buying the evil, the torture, the misogyny, etc, etc, etc.

Not something a "loving" being would need to stoop to....

Broken record... again?

 

[nPeace]

Yep. You can deny-deny-deny all you like, but it remains factual: The adam/eve story never took place, and neither did noah.

Sad, that you still believe in Adult Fairy Tales, isn't it?

Dreams are a part of life. When... if you wake up, I'll surely pay attention.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Oh. you can't demonstrate how, "We'll see eventually." a threat?
Expected.

You seriously need me to spell it out? Because I can-- I simply assumed you had adult-level understanding of your own faith.

But here you go: It's a strongly implied threat, because you are a self-professed 'Christian' (says so on your header, in fact)

For the majority of those professing to be 'Christian', they cite the bible as their justification for their beliefs, specifically the New Testament.

In that same New Testament (the non-cherry-picked, unabridged version), it spells out that people will die, and face either heaven or hell, depending on if they are a sheep (sycophant of jesus) or a goat (not-a-sheep). Since I made it quite clear in my headline, that I do not accept the bible as valid? That makes me into a "goat" according to your book.

And therefore? Your book says your god has created a special Torture Pit, of Infinite Torment, all neatly outlined in several places. Even your jesus warns about hell (although he doesn't use that specific word in some versions...)

Thus? Your strongly implied threat of infinite torture.

A Classic Playground Threat: "My da' is gonna beat you up! Just you WAIT, 'Enry 'Iggians! Just you WAIT!"

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Broken record... again?

Indeed: the sycophants of Jesus do sound like a broken record, and have been claiming "he's coming back" for 2000 years. So far? No Jesus.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Dreams are a part of life. When... if you wake up, I'll surely pay attention.

A quote by someone Famous:

"Being an atheist is like being the only kid in class that knows there is no Santa Claus.
And waiting for everyone else to grow the fork up."

I'll be waiting for you to grow up one day...

 

[wandering peacefully]

Yes, I know that you don't believe Jesus is coming back and that you were just being sarcastic.

He said he really had nothing better to do but wait for Jesus but I assume he meant that facetiously. I do not think he really "believes" Jesus is coming back.

On the other hand, as an observer who is not on either side, it seems really odd that my three atheists/agnostics friends talk to so many Christians and talk so much about the Bible and Christianity... It seems odd to me that nonbelievers do that here as well. If I was a nonbeliever I would be off sunning myself on a beach somewhere.

We do sun ourselves on beaches, in-between trying to understand the minds of believers and imparting what wisdom we have managed to obtain on some of the downfalls of living a life based on "belief".

Such as never having the time or desire to enjoy the reality of this actual life before it's too late. And the practical side such as how belief systems can often cause bigotry and arrogance as well as divisiveness in general between neighbors on the same planet.

Some atheists I'm certain, just love to argue period as is evidenced by the endless and fruitless go rounds with believers.

Most atheists I think, don't find religions necessary to live a moral, ethical, practical or politically and socially involved life. Some might engage believers to try to understand why they feel they cannot live moral or ethical lives without the aid of a god looking over their shoulders. Or why feel they are not of any worth or value unless they are worshipping their particular god and belong to the "right" religion. I suppose in some sense if they need their beliefs in order to be moral and ethical or to feel any self-worth, it's best for society they are contained by those beliefs and not let loose to act out what they otherwise can't control on their own.

But for many practical reasons such as involvement in implementing fair and just policies for all humans equally and working to understand science for the sake of ecosystems, atheists would like to see less belief and talk and more involved action. In order for that to happen they choose religious platforms to make their cases.

I'm sure there are other reasons atheists talk to believers about religion but I can bet you all the tea in China it's not because they are looking for God. Most have already been there and done that. It is kind of sad to see so much wasted time and effort by some believers trying to convince atheists to see the 'right' light. Of course equally sad if some atheists really have no life other than trying to make believers see their light . It would be better to take some of that free time and go sunning on a beach or to smell the roses before they die. Very few if any people change their minds after spending half a lifetime finding the answers they have found.

This atheist does have other things to do surrounding the reality of this moment. But it is interesting to drop in once in a while to see people dancing around the circle and maybe make a comment. What do you think? Maybe I'm just lazy and arrogant because I don't spend my life believing or searching for "God"?

See you next time. The beach is calling.

 

[wandering peacefully]

It's a common mistake, so I don't hold it against you.
People often make the mistake of not being able to tell the difference between a carpenter and a guy who gets tools and calls himself a carpenter. Or more specifically someone called and sent, from someone who just runs ahead.

The scriptures said this:
2 Peter 2:1, 2
1 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

Three kinds of people are mentioned in these verses.

a) Followers of Christ
b) False prophets / those who deviate from Christ's teachings
c) Those who are misled by the apostates

So the analogy goes like this:
The carpenters (a), will continue to do good work.

The ones that pick up the tools and call themselves carpenters (b), will go out and do sloppy work - actually a terrible job.

The people who can't build even a dog house (c), are fooled by (b), and consider them carpenters. Beep! Big mistake.
When the people (c) see the work done by the fake carpenters (b), they complain, and cuss all the carpenters, both (a) and (b), and they even cuss the manager of the real carpenters (a).

The manager all the while is looking on, feet on the table, his chair rocking back as he kills himself with laugh, saying to himself. "See those people (c). Look how I showed up their stupidity, and blatant hypocrisy.
What. They can't tell the difference between a real carpenter and a fake.
Yet thousands of others can?
Absurd.
They were warned about this, but they simply didn't want to use my carpenters, they preferred anyone else. They got what they wanted. Ha Ha Ha."

So things worked out in harmony with the managers will.
A retribution from God, because they did not want the truth that can save them. So God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they believe the lie - they are fooled into believing what they want, so that they all will be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

Sorry, I've read all the scriptures I care to many years ago. That's nice you like to post them for yourself though. If that is what it takes for you to be moral and ethical, I think it's a good idea for you to continue.

And I don't do "saved" either anymore. Of all the silly ideas religion has come up with, that is near the top. Saved from what? Yourselves is my guess. Hope you are able to work that out some day so you can live what you have left of your life in peace and contentment instead of fear and self-loathing. Best wishes.