Why believe The Bible?

[drs]

Well that's what you say, but why would I believe you? I don't know you; you're an anonymous typist on the internet. Why would I believe you?

LORD JESUS CHRIST says so, it is him you should believe not me.

 

[drs]

Being an atheist is to live without the need for lies, much unlike Christianity which only exists because of it's lies. Atheism is living in the Here-Now. It is a way of experiencing REALITY. Even though I believe in spirits (animate conscious energy), and the afterlife, I don't believe in God, nor do I feel a need to. God does not exist.

If thats how you feel go live your reality but it will not change anything in the end unless you repent and forsake sin be reborn believing in LORD JESUS CHRIST and his attonement as your only hope for salvation.

 

[Runewolf1973]

If thats how you feel go live your reality but it will not change anything in the end unless you repent and forsake sin be reborn believing in LORD JESUS CHRIST and his attonement as your only hope for salvation.

You can pray for your salvation all you want. I have already found it.

 

[ChurchPlanter]

Many theologically savy people quote the bible - taking it as the final word on the matter. My question is: "How do you know it's right?"

The answer that most people will give me is (and my insides turn over every time I hear it, I'm sorry, I have to use the F word here) faith. They don't know, but they have faith that the word of the Bible is the word of God and thus correct and true. I am pretty sure that didn't answer the question at all; I fundimentally asked why they believe and how they know... they answer they don't know and they believe because of their beliefs.

Would any of you be kind enough to tell me: If you hadn't been indoctorinated since birth into Christianity (as some people haven't; they converted later in life), what would persuade you to take a book, the Bible, and believe that what it says is true.

And: What sets this book apart from other religious books, like the Tora(h?) - or vice versa? Why would you believe one over the other?

Perhaps you had a religious experience? My friend tells me he was praying one day and as a man tried to approach him the man found he couldn't breathe while within 10 feet of my praying friend. That's cool, I amy be hesitant to believe that, but that's not what we're talking about. For the other 95% of us who haven't experienced such things, why would they commit themselves to blind faith?

My final question is: If you were to find out that the book was a lie, that I had infact written it around 2000 years ago, what would you do then (besides ask me the secret to my longevity)?

If you can prove the Bible wrong you'll have done what no one could do for 2,000 years.

Christianity is the only religion which when persecuted and confronted, it gets stronger. Islam cannot hold-up in the face of criticism; it is an incredibly "ritualistic" religion, that demands ritual and dependence the same way one might be addicted to nicotine or alcohol. Hinduism is being used as a nationalist religion; India is fastly growing in Christianity. So is the Buddhist parts of the world; the largest Evangelizing country in the World is China!


If you read the Bible, you will not find errors in it regarding context, or statements, or prophecy, you just won't. You can argue that science defeats the book of Genesis.

But in 16 sentences the Book of Genesis attempts to explain the creation of the universe, and it doesn't miss the mark, it talks about the big-bang and expansion of the universe (firmament is translated from the Hebrew "to expand"), it accurately but poetically describes the order of creation even in scientific terms.

What more do you expect from 16 sentences inspired by God to a primitive man?

And the Bible, contrary to outside opinion, is not "interpretable". It is very straight forward and has very little room to interpret something one way or another...it sets clearly what is right and wrong.

So why would you think the Bible isn't true?

 

[ChurchPlanter]

You can pray for your salvation all you want. I have already found it.

Really? You found Salvation in what...living? And what of when you're dead? You think you know more than Jesus Christ? You just prove you lack the Holy Spirit is all.

 

[Katzpur]

And the Bible, contrary to outside opinion, is not "interpretable". It is very straight forward and has very little room to interpret something one way or another...it sets clearly what is right and wrong.

Then maybe you can explain why there are over 30,000 different Christian denominations, each one interpreting the Bible somewhat differently.

 

[ChurchPlanter]

Because they all emphasize different parts of the Bible. Can you tell me which of these different denominations actually conflict with each other (outside of those Churches in Apostasy).

Take Presbyterianism, which places importance on elders being in charge of the Church...or Seventh Day Adventists who take importance on what day is actually the "Sabbath".

The most controversy comes from Revelation and that seems to have no denominational difference, most denominations have discussions about "the end times" within their own churches.

 

[Father Heathen]

You think you know more than Jesus Christ?

Probably, given that there is no credible evidence to suggest he was ever anything more than a mere mythological character that was ripped off from older pagan gods like Horus and Krishna. Even if he were real, why would he need interpreters and middlemen like you to twist his words? Do you have anything solid or substantial to differentiate or elevate the claims of your religion from the claims of all the countless other religions? Didn't think so.

 

[Autodidact]

I am sorry I do not have the pecentages for you.

] You're a slippery customer, aren't you? Here's what you said, drs:

Second there are millions of people who go to church regularly and they will will tell you that they are Christians.

Millions sounds like a lot to me.

 

[Autodidact]

LORD JESUS CHRIST says so, it is him you should believe not me.

Why should I believe you when you say that LORD JESUS CHRIST (whose name, apparently, requires capital letters says that? Who is LORD JESUS CHRIST, why should I believe Him and--this is the biggie--how do you know?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Really? You found Salvation in what...living? And what of when you're dead? You think you know more than Jesus Christ? You just prove you lack the Holy Spirit is all.

Death? What is death save for another transformation of energy. Even a so-called "dead" body is still comprised of "animate" energy. That is why things decompose. That energy is constantly changing form. It is "animate". Energy never ceases to be "animate". The consciousness of what is our "life" is, that energy cannot be destroyed, only change form. In a sense, there is no such thing as true death, only life, consciousness and animate energy. You Christians are so morbid.

 

[Autodidact]

If thats how you feel go live your reality but it will not change anything in the end unless you repent and forsake sin be reborn believing in LORD JESUS CHRIST and his attonement as your only hope for salvation.

Will you stop preaching at me like you're some authority on things? If you want me to buy any of this, you're going to have to support it with some evidence, stranger. In particular, and in accord with your advice, since you call yourself a Christian, I am deeply suspicious of anything you say.

 

[Autodidact]

If you can prove the Bible wrong you'll have done what no one could do for 2,000 years.

Christianity is the only religion which when persecuted and confronted, it gets stronger. Islam cannot hold-up in the face of criticism; it is an incredibly "ritualistic" religion, that demands ritual and dependence the same way one might be addicted to nicotine or alcohol. Hinduism is being used as a nationalist religion; India is fastly growing in Christianity. So is the Buddhist parts of the world; the largest Evangelizing country in the World is China!


If you read the Bible, you will not find errors in it regarding context, or statements, or prophecy, you just won't. You can argue that science defeats the book of Genesis.

But in 16 sentences the Book of Genesis attempts to explain the creation of the universe, and it doesn't miss the mark, it talks about the big-bang and expansion of the universe (firmament is translated from the Hebrew "to expand"), it accurately but poetically describes the order of creation even in scientific terms.

What more do you expect from 16 sentences inspired by God to a primitive man?

And the Bible, contrary to outside opinion, is not "interpretable". It is very straight forward and has very little room to interpret something one way or another...it sets clearly what is right and wrong.

So why would you think the Bible isn't true?

Because it has almost no historical, archeological, or scientific support.

And I have to beg to differ. If you want a religion that gets stronger when persecuted the Jews are the champs at that.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Will you stop preaching at me like you're some authority on things? If you want me to buy any of this, you're going to have to support it with some evidence, stranger. In particular, and in accord with your advice, since you call yourself a Christian, I am deeply suspicious of anything you say.

Feed em to the sharks! If they wish to congregate and act like seals, they will know the fate of a seal. I would rather be the shark.

 

[Autodidact]

Really? You found Salvation in what...living? And what of when you're dead? You think you know more than Jesus Christ? You just prove you lack the Holy Spirit is all.

I don't think there was any such guy, or if there was, that you have any idea what he did or didn't say. As far as when I'm dead, I'm pretty sure that I'm dead--and so are you. I do lack the Holy Spirit, and so do you, because there's no such thing.

 

[ChurchPlanter]

Probably, given that there is no credible evidence to suggest he was ever anything more than a mere mythological character that was ripped off from older pagan gods like Horus and Krishna. Even if he were real, why would he need interpreters and middlemen like you to twist his words? Do you have anything solid or substantial to differentiate or elevate the claims of your religion from the claims of all the countless other religions? Didn't think so.

Too bad you cannot substantiate that one bit. You can't seem to explain how people would "invent" a solitary "Egyptian-God" to spread some new religion. That makes less sense than Jesus Christ being the Son of God.

You don't need "middlemen" and "interpreters". In fact the Bible specifically talks about the Apostasy being such beliefs in "priests".

All you need is the Bible; that's it.

 

[Katzpur]

All you need is the Bible; that's it.

And where in the Bible does it say that?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Too bad you cannot substantiate that one bit. You can't seem to explain how people would "invent" a solitary "Egyptian-God" to spread some new religion. That makes less sense than Jesus Christ being the Son of God.

You don't need "middlemen" and "interpreters". In fact the Bible specifically talks about the Apostasy being such beliefs in "priests".

All you need is the Bible; that's it.

Middle men and interpreters? So that's what those other guys in the bible are. I was wondering why the supposed "Word of God" was not just the word of God. What do we need the apostles for? God needs interpreters? God is not all powerful? Why would I want to read a bunch of stories about biblical persons? Should I really care what Job, or Noah, or anyone says? I thought the only thing that mattered was what God said. What are those other guys doing besides putting false words into the mouth of God? Then it is not truly the word of God. It is whatever those guys said. Nature itself reveals everything to me already.

 

[Autodidact]

Because they all emphasize different parts of the Bible. Can you tell me which of these different denominations actually conflict with each other (outside of those Churches in Apostasy).

Wow. Almost all. One says that Jesus hates all war, and God made gay people and celebrates their love. Another says that Jesus approves of our war(s) and gay people are sinners who are turning against God. One says that Hell is a real, burning, fiery inferno, another says it's separation from God. One says that God has already chosen the saved, another that anyone can be saved if they believe in Jesus, and yet another that Jesus died to save everyone. (Universal salvation. Well, you get the basic idea.

 

[Katzpur]

Because they all emphasize different parts of the Bible. Can you tell me which of these different denominations actually conflict with each other (outside of those Churches in Apostasy).

Maybe you ought to start by telling us who isn't in apostasy. So far, you've been pretty explicit in naming the denominations you believe are in apostasy. If every Christian denomination but the one you personally accept as correct is in apostasy, I guess there is no conflict, is there? Sounds like one big, fat cop-out to me.