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Why cant Christians agree on Jesus pbuh

leibowde84

Veteran Member
U do know that the disagreement between shias and sunnis is regarding the political leadership?
They never disagree about that Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet and messenger of Allah.


I wouldnt make this topic if the disagreement amongst christians was about the leadership after Jesus pbuh left. However their main disagreement is not leadership but the Nature of Jesus pbuh.
The disagreements regarding the nature of Jesus all came about long after his death in the political sense as well. Power was very obviously a factor. And, what about the various Hadiths in Islam. Don't different sects disagree about authenticity and the way that Muhammad lived?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
For us muslims its plain simple Jesus pbuh was prophet and messenger of Allah, we reject all the socalled divinity claimed against Jesus.


But when it comes to christians, they are so divided about him!
1) trinity
2) son of god
3) two nature
4) incarnation of god
5) angel michael
6) prophet and messiah( Early jewish christians)
When you can name a thing, you can control a thing. Muhammed was a man. Just a man. he can be known, defined, and therefore controlled. Jesus has always been somewhat different. Jesus, apparently, is more than "just a man," is larger than our ability to define him, and therefore cannot be pinned down to our control.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No it isn't. Which was the whole reason for the Council of Nicea in the first place.
I believe the council of Nicea was convened after an apostasy took root in the Christian faith following the death of the apostles. By that time, 325 C.E., apostate notions had infiltrated, just as the Bible foretold. (2 Thessalonians 2:3,4) It is not that the Bible is unclear, but rather the unscriptural lies taught by those described in the Bible as "oppressive wolves [that] will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:29,30)
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I believe the council of Nicea was convened after an apostasy took root in the Christian faith following the death of the apostles. By that time, 325 C.E., apostate notions had infiltrated, just as the Bible foretold. (2 Thessalonians 2:3,4) It is not that the Bible is unclear, but rather the unscriptural lies taught by those described in the Bible as "oppressive wolves [that] will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:29,30)
What you believe is immaterial. What actually happened is important. Your scary apologetic simply doesn't add up to rational thinking or treatment of either the texts or the known history.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I will have to ask what you understand a religion to be.
A set of rules, requirements, or rituals which one feels they must do in order to please God (in the case of Christianity and Abraham based religions) or to feel spiritual or reach enlightenment in the case of other religious/spiritual paths.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
What do you mean by "Christian in name only" specifically? What are the requirements for being a "real" Christian? I know the Bible pretty well, and I understand the "born-again" philosophy, but are their specifics?
A Christian in name only is someone who practices religion...the Christian religion or some pseudo variation, but who does not know Jesus Christ personally as their Savior and has not submitted their life to Christ alone, having died spiritually and been raised to new life in Christ.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
A set of rules, requirements, or rituals which one feels they must do in order to please God (in the case of Christianity and Abraham based religions) or to feel spiritual or reach enlightenment in the case of other religious/spiritual paths.

Oh, I guess that means I don't acknowledge Abrahamic religions as legit then.

Too much emphasis on any deities that it might use is a fatal flaw for a doctrine that wants to be a religion, IMO.
 
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leibowde84

Veteran Member
A Christian in name only is someone who practices religion...the Christian religion or some pseudo variation, but who does not know Jesus Christ personally as their Savior and has not submitted their life to Christ alone, having died spiritually and been raised to new life in Christ.
That is pretty darn ambiguous though ... "dying spiritually", "submitted their life to Christ alone", "raised into new life"? Can you provide a more specific explanation of what these things mean in practice, as it's very easy to say things like this without having to provide specificity.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Oh, I guess that means I don't acknowledge Abrahamic religions as legit then.

Too much emphasis on any deities that it might use is a fatal flaw for a doctrine that wants to be a religion, IMO.
Sodom and Gommorah getting cosmically zapped for breaking a few rules wasn't enough reason?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sodom and Gommorah getting cosmically zapped for breaking a few rules wasn't enough reason?
1) They weren't punished; the "zapping" was a consequence of their actions. electricity and circuitry doesn't punish people. But there are consequences for grabbing a live electrical wire.
2) It's a metaphoric story -- not a historical account.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Sodom and Gommorah getting cosmically zapped for breaking a few rules wasn't enough reason?
Is that even a serious question? Of course not.

Unless you are proposing that there are no gods as such, just oppressive apparently supernatural powers?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
That is pretty darn ambiguous though ... "dying spiritually", "submitted their life to Christ alone", "raised into new life"? Can you provide a more specific explanation of what these things mean in practice, as it's very easy to say things like this without having to provide specificity.


Those are the teachings of the scriptures...Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.(Roman 6:11) ; Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(Romans 6:4). Faith alone in Christ alone (what He accomplished on the Cross) - Romans 6:23; John 5:24; John 11:25; Romans 8:1-2; John 3:16-18; John14:6; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1st Timothy 5:26; Galations 3:26; John 10:28; Romans 8:38-39; Acts 16:31.

Living in complete faith in Jesus Christ alone for forgiveness of sins and eternal life and depending on Him each day without trusting in self effort or religious requirements. That does not mean an absence of good works or that I don't desire to have my life conformed to Christ and the teachings of the scriptures. It means that those things flow out of a love for Jesus, but not in an effort to earn forgiveness or eternal life. All religions, including religious Christianity always add some other requirement(s) to faith in Christ.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Er, the vast majority of Christians are Trinitarians. Unitarians and other concepts like Oneness Pentecostalism and what you find in Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses are a small minority of global Christianity.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Those are the teachings of the scriptures...Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.(Roman 6:11) ; Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(Romans 6:4). Faith alone in Christ alone (what He accomplished on the Cross) - Romans 6:23; John 5:24; John 11:25; Romans 8:1-2; John 3:16-18; John14:6; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1st Timothy 5:26; Galations 3:26; John 10:28; Romans 8:38-39; Acts 16:31.

Living in complete faith in Jesus Christ alone for forgiveness of sins and eternal life and depending on Him each day without trusting in self effort or religious requirements. That does not mean an absence of good works or that I don't desire to have my life conformed to Christ and the teachings of the scriptures. It means that those things flow out of a love for Jesus, but not in an effort to earn forgiveness or eternal life. All religions, including religious Christianity always add some other requirement(s) to faith in Christ.
So, if you are successful, thank God. If you are unsuccessful, kick yourself. Doesn't that seem a bit counterintuitive to you? If our subjective effort makes a difference, and from all evidence I have it does, shouldn't we put responsibility on ourselves for both the bad and the good?

Btw, I've been contemplating the possibility that God is perfect/omnipotent/omnipresent lately.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
So, if you are successful, thank God. If you are unsuccessful, kick yourself. Doesn't that seem a bit counterintuitive to you? If our subjective effort makes a difference, and from all evidence I have it does, shouldn't we put responsibility on ourselves for both the bad and the good?

Btw, I've been contemplating the possibility that God is perfect/omnipotent/omnipresent lately.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you are saying about being successful or unsuccessful. You can rephrase it if you like. All I know is that I am successful in Christ and thankful and because I know, love, and trust Him I do believe I have a responsibility to continually look to Him for wisdom and strength.
Why are you contemplating the possibility that God is perfect/omnipotent/omnipresent lately?
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
From what I can see there is pretty much uniform agreement amongst Christians when it comes to Mohammad.
 
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