Why can't Evol just admit to Design?

[ttechsan]

It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread. See the only reason not to admit the obvious is that there is an obvious agenda at play here. It certainly is NOT SCIENCE!

Apologetics Press - Atheists Admit Things Look Designed

It certainly isn't objectivity. Because otherwise it would have to be admitted to. Just like I asked in my other thread. Still no one has been able to logically convince me what we so obviously see is Design, Engineering. Programming etc that only the BRAIN of GOD and not a non brain of some random (non organized) non thinking force could produce what we see in nature. That my friends in not Common Sense it is absolutely NON SENSE, ILLOGICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC to ignore the obvious! When I see what I see I have to admit to what I see and esp when it FUNCTIONS like it is DESIGNED ETC to do! & better than even man can do today!

 

[Amandi]

It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread. See the only reason not to admit the obvious is that there is an obvious agenda at play here. It certainly is NOT SCIENCE!

Apologetics Press - Atheists Admit Things Look Designed

It certainly isn't objectivity. Because otherwise it would have to be admitted to. Just like I asked in my other thread. Still no one has been able to logically convince me what we so obviously see is Design, Engineering. Programming etc that only the BRAIN of GOD and not a non brain of some random (non organized) non thinking force could produce what we see in nature. That my friends in not Common Sense it is absolutely NON SENSE, ILLOGICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC to ignore the obvious! When I see what I see I have to admit to what I see and esp when it FUNCTIONS like it is DESIGNED ETC to do! & better than even man can do today!

Now see, I havent seen that particular thread you are referring to but I do see God's hand in evolution.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread.

Ah yes, "illogic". Unfortunately, all you did in your other thread was more of the same- bad arguments, (fallacious) appeals to incredulity, and denial of rigorous science. Not very compelling to say the least.

 

[ttechsan]

Just an example of how man copies what you evol non brain Designed beyond what man could do so long ago. Just admit it Design is everywhere in all things and man benefits copying it and only the Brain of God could have Designed etc.

Apologetics Press - Scientists Copy God

 

[ttechsan]

The remark about Evol so quoted is Darwin made is possible for Atheist to basically be ok. So Evol has the agenda of Atheism from the very beginning.
Atheist Evol to me is real sad. See I reject Evol as bad science. I reject Atheist evol as a Bad Weak God. Because if my God is so Weak and doesn't have the power to just speak into existence things just like He wants it then He really isn't a God to worship. He isn't powerful at all. I couldn't worship that type God at all. I realize that leads to other topics I can handle on the other threads on this board that I am more than able to deal with and will. You may not like or agree. That is fine. Matter of fact that type God is not the type of God strong enough to send His son to save me from my sins on the cross either. I can't straddle that fence nor does the God of the Bible even allow me to. He says He would rather me be Hot or Cold not warm as He will spew those out of His mouth. To me Atheist Evol are warm fence straddlers. Either God did it all at once or there is no God. I see too much Design etc and know there is a God.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why can't you just admit that evolutionary theory and belief in God are not incompatible? Get over it.

 

[ttechsan]

So you on here actually can see a computer program and tell me you can see it and actually tell me you don't see an intelligent brain behind it? Really? But you can look at DNA RNA which is far more complex and tell me no brain did it. Well I tell you you again show so much more faith than I could ever have!

 

[ttechsan]

That is what I said. I personally find Evol and God totally incompatible for reasons I explained.

 

[dust1n]

It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread. See the only reason not to admit the obvious is that there is an obvious agenda at play here. It certainly is NOT SCIENCE!

Apologetics Press - Atheists Admit Things Look Designed

It certainly isn't objectivity. Because otherwise it would have to be admitted to. Just like I asked in my other thread. Still no one has been able to logically convince me what we so obviously see is Design, Engineering. Programming etc that only the BRAIN of GOD and not a non brain of some random (non organized) non thinking force could produce what we see in nature. That my friends in not Common Sense it is absolutely NON SENSE, ILLOGICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC to ignore the obvious! When I see what I see I have to admit to what I see and esp when it FUNCTIONS like it is DESIGNED ETC to do! & better than even man can do today!

God so obviously designed my life-threatening disease. That rascal. I guess my body just functions like it was designed to do. If this is the case, and your god did exist, I would no interest in following him anyway. I'd say god is a pretty terrible designer myself.

 

[ttechsan]

Either way I have to accept a weak or totally incompetent God and with what I see in Nature and Design etc I don't in any way see that type God at all.
I see problems in mankind but that can be explained and still keep an all powerful Loving God and Jesus.

 

[dust1n]

I look forward to someone trying to explain why god gave me a disease.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Let me ask, is a puddle designed for the hole in which it resides?

In a way it is - it's shape, the form to which it adheres is sculpted by (and in turn may have slightly altered) the shape of the earth around it - the processes that led to the water getting there through evaporation (and transpiration), condensation, precipitation and then the way that the water was partially absorbed by the ground, accrued into run off and eventually found its way down into the small depression left as a result of the poorly surfaced road and the heavy traffic broke off chunks of the bitumen from the side of the road forming a small depression which is now occupied by water.

There are a lot of things there that contribute to the circumstances of the puddle and its form, it is not 'random' but it is not a design in the way that you seem to think

There is nothing that would suggest that some designer (were it sufficiently intelligent and powerful) could not have acted in such a way as to cause this series of events which led to the specific form of the puddle, not a thing (though I personally dont think a designer would bother about the puddle as they seem to have more important things on their hands)

 

[ttechsan]

You are talking to someone with so many health issues you have no earthly idea. If you looked and realized the long gaps between my times on this board from when I first got on here. You would find long gaps and all due to health reasons. I'm on disability due to so very many surgeries and yes I've almost lost my life a few times but not yet. Have I wished to die at times. You bet I have.
Yet, See I know God and Jesus personally and I see the big picture. I would willingly die for my Saviour Jesus. My only request is that God allow it to somehow glorify Him. My so many numerous health issues God has used for His glory and I praise God for it. I am not angry or bitter at all. Matter of fact I wouldn't take all the pain and suffering back if it meant the way God used them meant I couldn't have been used by God in the way He used them for Him.

So in that issue you really barked up the wrong tree. That doesn't even count my wife's two bouts with cancer etc.
I will pray for you though. I wish everyone had the same peace I have with them when they go through trials like we have.

 

[ttechsan]

Did you not read I said Design and it functions as Designed etc. That is such a cop out I read and hear so often. Sure a person can see the face of Jesus in a potato chip or in clouds like I have heard. That is appearance of Design. That is NOT appearance and FUNCTION like it was Designed.Engineered and Programmed etc for. Try again!

 

[InformedIgnorance]

That is just it - it does indeed give the APPEARANCE of functioning as if it were designed; there is nothing however to indicate that it is anything more than an appearance.

Hence comments like "It is so obvious in everything we see in creation" (emphasis added).

In order to give rise to something that could conceive the question of existence, the nature of existence must facilitate that capacity, therefore this will naturally give rise to the question of apparent design (even were the nature of existence different - yet still able to support that capacity). Its the very basis of the anthropic principle.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread. See the only reason not to admit the obvious is that there is an obvious agenda at play here. It certainly is NOT SCIENCE!

Apologetics Press - Atheists Admit Things Look Designed

It certainly isn't objectivity. Because otherwise it would have to be admitted to. Just like I asked in my other thread. Still no one has been able to logically convince me what we so obviously see is Design, Engineering. Programming etc that only the BRAIN of GOD and not a non brain of some random (non organized) non thinking force could produce what we see in nature. That my friends in not Common Sense it is absolutely NON SENSE, ILLOGICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC to ignore the obvious! When I see what I see I have to admit to what I see and esp when it FUNCTIONS like it is DESIGNED ETC to do! & better than even man can do today!

Design is obvious to you, but evolution is obvious to me. So we need a better method than obviousness
to determine which is true or useful. Should we use the scientific method? Or somethings else?

 

[ttechsan]

Mankinds fall is what created all the evil and bad in this world not God. I guess if you really want answers to all this topic then tell me where you want to continue this topic since probably not appropriate for this forum.
Right now I have been fighting flu for over two weeks and due to so many other problems I can't get over it. I was in hospital 6 months ago with two types pneumonia in both lungs. It was horrific. I was then on oxygen for 3 months. So my ability to fight this is low. I can't even believe I've stayed this long. I'm about to fall out and I feel so bad. I will wait for your response if you want to continue tomorrow assuming I am able and on what forum this issue.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is what I said. I personally find Evol and God totally incompatible for reasons I explained.

I said not incompatible. I saw your post after I replied to your OP. Your issue seems to be that you just want to put God in a box.

 

[ttechsan]

So you really want to tell me the appearance of Design in RNA DNA and how a cell works in Engineering etc is just appearance and they don't actual function with the appearance. Come on. In all of creation the Design etc is so obvious and it FUNCTIONS not just appears as it is Designed etc to. IT is obvious to me you have an agenda and don't confuse you with the facts about Design and Function. WOW!

 

[ttechsan]

How is my giving God ultimate power putting HIM in a box and you limiting so much not? God created creation and man for companionship. So you tell me he waited millions and billions of yrs to get what HE could get instantaneously. Really? Who puts him in a box?