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Sounds good to me.I suggest we go for it.
Then back to God we go.
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Sounds good to me.I suggest we go for it.
Then back to God we go.
Pretty much well said for one who has no hope.I suspect multiple scenarios....each to his own.
Consequence dealt BECAUSE of belief.
Still there does seem a prevailing scheme of things in spite of belief.
You are for the moment stuck in that parcel of flesh.
You seem to be in control as you say as you please...do as you please.
If your hand does anything at all...it's because you thought you should...
or felt like it.
But finally, the end when catch up to each one of us.
Then what?
Many will surrender their last breaths, but for lack of intention...lay there.
They will want to stand up...but can't.
They might be aware when friends and relatives put them in the box.
And the box into the ground.
Solitary confinement...in a box?
Eternal darkness is physically real.
This would indeed, destroy the mind and spirit.
There will be only one desire waiting for us when we die.
The desire to stand up.
I suggest we go for it
Then back to God we go.
"You don't go to heaven, you grow to heaven."
Thank you for that quote.
IMO, too many people are stuck in the old time religion concept of heaven and hell. An all or nothing eternity. IMO, God is smarter than that. We are now and will continue to be in a state of growth.
For the sake of argument, let's just say that god does in fact exist. Being an atheist, I would therefore be condemned to suffer an eternity of torment in hell......If he truly did love me, as the bible says he claims to do, then surely he would be able to overlook the transgression of a difference of opinion when I am an overall good person.
But if you are an atheist, sorry my friend, you will burn in hell forever.
Only by choice.But if you are an atheist, sorry my friend, you will burn in hell forever.
It boils down to what version of God, Hell and religious laws you abide by. I agree there is an incongruence between the idea of an all-merciful God and that same God condemning someone to an eternity of pain and misery. Therefore, I think the common perception of Hell is wrong. "Evil" is not a force by itself. It's like cold or darkness. Cold is simply a lack of heat. Darkness is a lack of light. "Evil" is simply a lack of "Good", or being away from God. If a person is in "Hell", then it is by choice. Simply put, they have chosen to be away from God. When they choose to come back into the "light", then they will be able to do so since God truly is all-merciful.
According to christianity, initially (in the old testament) only Jews could be save because they were the chosen people.
Then people had to adhere to a lot of rules which regulated even what poeple could eat and what is not pure.
Then jesus died for all people's sin and since the only requirement to go to heaven and not to burn in hell for ever, is that you must accept Jesus as your saviour.
But if you are an atheist, sorry my friend, you will burn in hell forever.
Because of God's promise to Abraham only the Jews were chosen to produce the promised Messiah [Savior].
Where did you get your 'burn in hell forever' teaching?
You did Not find that taught in Scripture because the Bible's hell [sheol] is temporary, and everyone 'jailed' in hell is released from hell because Jesus has the keys to unlock hell [ Rev. 1 v 18 ]
Once everyone in hell is 'delivered up' meaning resurrected out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic 'second death' according to Revelation 20 vs 13, 14.
The 'burn in hell forever' is a non-biblical teaching that became mixed with Scripture after first-century Christianity ended.
That does not make Scripture wrong, but makes the mixing or blending of pagan concepts with Scripture as being wrong.
What was Jesus doing while Jesus was in hell?
-Acts 2 vs 27,31; Psalm 16 v 10
Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like inactive state.- John 11 vs 11-14
The Psalms also teach the dead sleep in a thoughtless death.
-Psalms 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4
King Solomon [known for his God-given wisdom -1st Kings 3 vs 16-28]
wrote at Ecclesiastes [9 v 5] that the dead know nothing.
If the dead were conscious there would be no need for a resurrection.
Is it also then....dead men do not dream?
What if your dreams are unpleasant and you can't wake up?
Conscious thought doesn't mean you're interacting with anything around you.
You could very well 'burn' in your 'hell' (grave) .
But I don't believe in physical resurrection.
God is spirit....the sons of God, likewise...
The kingdom is not of this world.
Return to this world?...not likely.
How could one burn in the Bible's hell [sheol] when the dead know nothing?
Know nothing, and the dead do Not praise God according to Psalm 115 v 17;
6 v 5; 13 v 3; 146 v 4; Ecclesiastes 9 v 5; Daniel 12 vs 2,13
You are not alone in doubting a physical resurrection.
You are right about God's kingdom being not of this world [It's heavenly]
All angels are called sons of God and are a spirit creation.
If Adam had never sinned where would Adam be today?
Adam and us are physical creations. [flesh and blood]
Jesus made a new covenant [Luke 22 vs 29,30] with a 'little flock' [12 v 32]
As 'little' suggests a smaller amount of people. People that would be part of the first or earlier resurrection of Revelation [20 v 6; 14 v 4; 5 vs 9,10]
They have two [2] jobs to do. Serve as heavenly kings and priests.
Serve 'earthly subjects' of God's kingdom.
What does Psalm 72 v 8 says about earthly subjects ?__________
So, besides a permanent heavenly hope for those resurrected to heaven
[1st Cor. 15 v 50] who are adopted as spiritual 'sons of God' aka Jesus 'brothers' there is also a larger earthly-flock part or 'other sheep' part
[John 10 v 16] besides the little flock, but all under one Shepherd Christ Jesus.
The 'sheep' of Matthew 25 v 32 are Not Jesus spiritual 'brothers' of verse 40.
Those faithful sheep remain on earth [everlasting life] right into the start of Jesus messianic 1000-year reign over earth. Whereas Jesus 'brothers' are the 'brothers' of 1st Cor. 15 v 50 who inherit the heavenly realm of God's kingdom for a thousand years with Christ Jesus.
Jesus taught that No one had ascended to heaven at John 3 v 13.
That includes king David according to Acts 2 v 34.
The way to heaven, or heavenly life, was not open to people before Jesus died. All or everyone who lived before Jesus died, had Not a promised heavenly hope, but a promised earthly hope.
Such as Noah and Abraham who died without having yet received God's promise according to Hebrews 11 vs 13,39
We are not talking about returning to this world of badness, but a righteous new world under God's messianic kingdom ruled from heaven by Christ Jesus.
[2nd Peter 3 v 13]
What did Micah write about that future millennial time at Micah 4 vs 3,4 ?
What did Isaiah prophecy about earth at Isaiah chapter 35 ?____________
Job [33 vs 25-28] mentions being released from the aging process.
One's 'flesh' would become fresher than it was in youth.
Remember 'flesh and blood' can Not inherit the kingdom of the heavens.
So, the 'flesh' of Job [33v 25] is earthly/ physical.
So, the Bible writers not only write word pictures about those resurrected to heavenly life, but they also wrote vivid word pictures describing future earthly life under Christ's millennial-long day of reigning from heaven over earth,
or earthly subjects of God's kingdom. 'Thy kingdom come....God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven'. Isn't God's will for heaven good conditions?
Who goes to heaven to die in heaven? So, if God's will is to be done here [earth] as it is in heaven, then we are praying that the time will come when there will be on earth 'No more death'.- Rev. 21 vs 3,4
Why anyone would worship an immoral monster like that, is beyond me. It's even sadder that that this immoral behaviour is lotted as just and good, when it's the complete opposite.
and how do we know that the devil isn't the being who inspired the bible? Or that God is using his power to deceive us and actually the devil is the more moral? Maybe the devils 'deceiving' is actually him trying to save us from God's deceiving.
Then why would you tell me your opinion, if the world would never work like you believe either?
We at least have a chance of being right.
Seen by whom? Punishable by whom? Not by the God I believe, certainly.
Insulting is not preferable, but I believe it's unavoidable when angry. No reasonable father would eternally punish their children for momentary angers. Anger is part of human nature. We're not perfect and God knows.
Yes, I agree with that. God is the ultimate judge. But it is my hope and belief that God is merciful and loving, instead of a punisher.
You either have the wrong God or a misunderstanding of Him.
He is merciful and loving and a punisher and a hope fulfiller.
My 2 cents late in the game. I believe in God and Life After Death and believe you will be fine (better than most probably).
You're concerning yourself too much with the conservative Christian dogma which doesn't stand up to intelligent reasoning.
However you are not God and not his judge so you have no right to say that he will be fine.