Why can't I go to heaven?

[Thief]

So capacity for evil isn't a flaw? Also would you say that it's possible for God to do evil as he has the capacity?



It does? I can choose to eat coco pops or frosties in the morning, is one of them an evil choice?

Your apparently confusing the issue...on purpose.

God can do harm (evil).
Why He does it makes all the difference.

Angels carry swords....at least they are displayed that way.

Harm to be dealt?....yeah...
and your choice of cereal matters?

Maybe that's why you won't be going.......

 

[9Westy9]

Your not getting the point about the reason for the ability to even choose between coco pos and frostiest.

The word "choice " and the ability to choose had a consequence attached to it which caused us to be as gods.

And that could not happen had God not given us that ability.

Blessings, Aj

Not sure what you mean by your second sentence.

Your apparently confusing the issue...on purpose.

I am?

God can do harm (evil).
Why He does it makes all the difference.

He uses harm to punish harm. the problem is that he allowed us to do harm in the first place. He created us badly yet doesn't simply re-create us as people will be in the "new earth".

Angels carry swords....at least they are displayed that way.

Harm to be dealt?....yeah...
and your choice of cereal matters?

[sarcasm]Cereal choice is important man[/sarcasm]

Maybe that's why you won't be going.......

I never knew that you spoke for God........

 

[Thief]

I never knew that you spoke for God........

Pretend there is an angel behind you as you make your next post.
Close enough?

It's not hard to spot what will be left behind.

And the title question is what?

As I see it, a lack of reflection will be the problem.
If the Carpenter can't find His word...His reflection...in you....
then getting past Him on your way to heaven could be difficult.

Perhaps you have chosen a different prophet?
Will they approve?

Or maybe the hierarchy will have the final say.
Angels have fought over what relation heaven has with Man.
Do you think they will stand back and let anyone pass by?

 

[beerisit]

Pretend there is an angel behind you as you make your next post.
Close enough?

It's not hard to spot what will be left behind.

And the title question is what?

As I see it, a lack of reflection will be the problem.
If the Carpenter can't find His word...His reflection...in you....
then getting past Him on your way to heaven could be difficult.

Perhaps you have chosen a different prophet?
Will they approve?

Or maybe the hierarchy will have the final say.
Angels have fought over what relation heaven has with Man.
Do you think they will stand back and let anyone pass by?

Angels have fought? Says who? Did they mention how big an angel was?

 

[Thief]

Angels have fought? Says who? Did they mention how big an angel was?

Here's the story I know....from another thread I quote myself...

First a brief description of what an angels are.
In comparison to Man...they are...
Bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.
If any man could stand face to face and deny any of these five attributes,
Then scripture is incorrect...
Man was created a little less than the angelic.

There is a long standing belief that the fall of the angelic..one third of heaven...was brought on by a division....an argument.

God...having made Man...a little less than the angelic...said to the angels...
"Man is fragile...follow after him and see to it, that he dash not his toes...nor his head."

One third of the angelic said "nay".
"For that Man is less than we are... He should be made to serve us."

There is nothing wrong in that logic.
Man does so unto lesser creatures in every way.

We... chain our dogs, and expect their loyalty...keeping to one master...even though it is their nature to run free in packs, and hunt at will.
We.... saddle and bridle our horses...and expect them to take us wherever we desire...and we break their spirits that they will obey.
We.... cage little birds..that they sing for our pleasure...but the little creature sings for a mate he will never find. There will be no nest...no offspring...and he will die in his solitude.
We...readily kill anything that cannot be made to serve us...any disobedient animal.

A fight broke out. Brother angel against Brother angel.
One third of the angelic fell from grace...losing their positions in heaven.
They lost their place because of an argument...concerning something that looks like you.

They want you dead.

Two thirds of heaven lost their Brothers because of an
argument...concerning something that looks like you.

Do you not bear resemblance to the one third fallen?
Do you not perform unto lesser things...and your fellowman ...as you will?

Are you not concerned..what...or who...will be standing over you...
When you lay down to breath your last breathe?"


On top of that....as you stand up from your dust....
You probably won't know the territory...the language...or the scheme of things.

Are you not at the mercy...of those gone before you?"

So this might answer the title question?
Entry into heaven is allowed....not earned.
If you enter it's because they allow it.
You would belong there.

 

[beerisit]

Here's the story I know....from another thread I quote myself...

First a brief description of what an angels are.
In comparison to Man...they are...
Bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.
If any man could stand face to face and deny any of these five attributes,
Then scripture is incorrect...
Man was created a little less than the angelic.

There is a long standing belief that the fall of the angelic..one third of heaven...was brought on by a division....an argument.

God...having made Man...a little less than the angelic...said to the angels...
"Man is fragile...follow after him and see to it, that he dash not his toes...nor his head."

One third of the angelic said "nay".
"For that Man is less than we are... He should be made to serve us."

There is nothing wrong in that logic.
Man does so unto lesser creatures in every way.

We... chain our dogs, and expect their loyalty...keeping to one master...even though it is their nature to run free in packs, and hunt at will.
We.... saddle and bridle our horses...and expect them to take us wherever we desire...and we break their spirits that they will obey.
We.... cage little birds..that they sing for our pleasure...but the little creature sings for a mate he will never find. There will be no nest...no offspring...and he will die in his solitude.
We...readily kill anything that cannot be made to serve us...any disobedient animal.

A fight broke out. Brother angel against Brother angel.
One third of the angelic fell from grace...losing their positions in heaven.
They lost their place because of an argument...concerning something that looks like you.

They want you dead.

Two thirds of heaven lost their Brothers because of an
argument...concerning something that looks like you.

Do you not bear resemblance to the one third fallen?
Do you not perform unto lesser things...and your fellowman ...as you will?

Are you not concerned..what...or who...will be standing over you...
When you lay down to breath your last breathe?"


On top of that....as you stand up from your dust....
You probably won't know the territory...the language...or the scheme of things.

Are you not at the mercy...of those gone before you?"

So this might answer the title question?
Entry into heaven is allowed....not earned.
If you enter it's because they allow it.
You would belong there.

Your afraid of angels as well as hell, really? Ok then, if thats how you live your life. I sorry but I can't get scared by either.

 

[Thief]

Your afraid of angels as well as hell, really? Ok then, if thats how you live your life. I sorry but I can't get scared by either.

It's not fear.
You can't frighten a man into heaven.

 

[beerisit]

It's not fear.
You can't frighten a man into heaven.

Thats funny, because religions have been trying to do that for thousands of years, apparently at God's behest?

 

[9Westy9]

Pretend there is an angel behind you as you make your next post.
Close enough?

Not close enough for me to see

It's not hard to spot what will be left behind.

Please, do tell

And the title question is what?

the title question of the thread? "Why can't I go to heaven?"

As I see it, a lack of reflection will be the problem.
If the Carpenter can't find His word...His reflection...in you....
then getting past Him on your way to heaven could be difficult.

How do you know the entry requirement? You know the Carpenter or something? If so you'll have to introduce me someday.

Perhaps you have chosen a different prophet?
Will they approve?

I have chosen no prophet. Better safe than sorry

Or maybe the hierarchy will have the final say.
Angels have fought over what relation heaven has with Man.
Do you think they will stand back and let anyone pass by?

They wouldn't let me past. Unfortunately I don't see any reason to believe that they're anything more than a fairy tale.

 

[Thief]

Not close enough for me to see

the title question of the thread? "Why can't I go to heaven?"

How do you know the entry requirement? You know the Carpenter or something? If so you'll have to introduce me someday.

I have chosen no prophet. Better safe than sorry

They wouldn't let me past. Unfortunately I don't see any reason to believe that they're anything more than a fairy tale.

It seems you already know why, you're not going.

 

[9Westy9]

It seems you already know why, you're not going.

because I think differently?

 

[Thief]

because I think differently?

Everyone thinks differently.

But if you want to walk with angels....
won't you say and perform as they do?

Got thoughts?

 

[InformedIgnorance]

because I think differently?

And thus you are ebil! ebil i saaaaay!

 

[9Westy9]

And thus you are ebil! ebil i saaaaay!

So a little like....

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Lol I don't know about you, but hell aint looking so bad in that case.

 

[godlikemadman]

Everyone thinks differently.

But if you want to walk with angels....
won't you say and perform as they do?

Got thoughts?

I still don't understand how a "loving" God could possibly have the malice to throw every human who didn't believe in one very specific concept of a God into hell. It doesn't compute.

 

[F0uad]

I still don't understand how a "loving" God could possibly have the malice to throw every human who didn't believe in one very specific concept of a God into hell. It doesn't compute.

As i understand what islam teaches is when a ''Diss-believer'' gets the truth ''What he or she considers being the truth'' and then not accept it goes to hell.

For example if someone never heard of Islam, or revelation or religion then i think he or she will be judged on hes or her actions and god is merciful so he will judge you less hard then you actually deserve.

Also in islam actions and deeds are weighted and one good deed weights more then a evil deed so therefore he is ''Merciful and Loving''

Now i am pretty sure many people would disagree with this but its my view on it and my understanding.

 

[godlikemadman]

As i understand what islam teaches is when a ''Diss-believer'' gets the truth ''What he or she considers being the truth'' and then not accept it goes to hell.

For example if someone never heard of Islam, or revelation or religion then i think he or she will be judged on hes or her actions and god is merciful so he will judge you less hard then you actually deserve.

Also in islam actions and deeds are weighted and one good deed weights more then a evil deed so therefore he is ''Merciful and Loving''

Now i am pretty sure many people would disagree with this but its my view on it and my understanding.

Yes, but, in your faith, no matter how many good deeds I do in my lifetime, if I don't accept everything Islam teaches as 100% true, then I am damned to hell. Explain how that is a mercy by God.

 

[Thief]

I still don't understand how a "loving" God could possibly have the malice to throw every human who didn't believe in one very specific concept of a God into hell. It doesn't compute.

How about God loves peace.
You want to walk with angels?

Peace first.

Many people fail to realize, peace is more than good intention.

 

[idav]

How about God loves peace.
You want to walk with angels?

Peace first.

Many people fail to realize, peace is more than good intention.

Like a stone

Audioslave: Like a Stone
On a cold, wet afternoon
In a room full of emptiness
By a freeway I confess
I was lost in the pages
Of a book full of death
Reading how we'll die alone
And if we're good, we'll lay to rest
Anywhere we want to go

[Chorus]
In your house I long to be
Room by room patiently
I'll wait for you there
Like a stone
I'll wait for you there
Alone

On my deathbed I will pray
To the gods and the angels
Like a pagan to anyone
Who will take me to heaven
To a place I recall
I was there so long ago
The sky was bruised
The wine was bled
And there you led me on

[Chorus]

Alone

And on I read
Until the day was gone
And I sat in regret
Of all the things I've done
For all that I've blessed
And all that I've wronged
In dreams until my death
I will wander on

[Chorus]

Alone