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Why creationists won't listen to rational arguments

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Molecules to man ,is observable and repeatable ?

Like I said you have no clue how science is done.

No, the evidence is observable and repeatable. Events need not to be repeatable to be supported by science. Evidence does need to be repeatable. But then you do not even understand the concept of evidence. Here is a definition of scientific evidence. It comes from Wikipedia but many science based sources will give essentially the same definition:

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretable in accordance with scientific method.


And while we are at it here is a simplified flowchart of the scientific method:

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John1.12

Free gift
Like I said you have no clue how science is done.

No, the evidence is observable and repeatable. Events need not to be repeatable to be supported by science. Evidence does need to be repeatable. But then you do not even understand the concept of evidence. Here is a definition of scientific evidence. It comes from Wikipedia but many science based sources will give essentially the same definition:

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretable in accordance with scientific method.


And while we are at it here is a simplified flowchart of the scientific method:

2013-updated_scientific-method-steps_v6_noheader.png
Blah ,blah blah. The ' missing link ' let's see it ?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The missing link, the body of jesus.
The body of jesus, the missing link.

One question, how is someone wanting the the missing link different from someone wanting jesus' body?

Both deny either existed without them.
Your post makes no sense. But that is nothing new.

"The missing link" is a creationist term these days. They cannot even define it properly. Scientists have "found" it but as soon as it is clear that the fossils support evolution creationists tend to move the goal posts. For example in the past there were creationists that swore that Homo erectus was an ape. And there were creationists that claimed that he was a man. And then there were those that could not make up their mind, but they were sure it was 100% one or the other. When far too many fossils of it were found to be denied any longer the consensus became that it was a man and the goalposts were moved.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Your post makes no sense. But that is nothing new.

"The missing link" is a creationist term these days. They cannot even define it properly. Scientists have "found" it but as soon as it is clear that the fossils support evolution creationists tend to move the goal posts. For example in the past there were creationists that swore that Homo erectus was an ape. And there were creationists that claimed that he was a man. And then there were those that could not make up their mind, but they were sure it was 100% one or the other. When far too many fossils of it were found to be denied any longer the consensus became that it was a man and the goalposts were moved.
My question is quite simple.

Creationist will say show me the missing link or it didn't exist.
You on many occasions have said show me jesus if he existed.

You both claim if you cant show me then it didn't exist.

The point is there are many things that DID exist but cannot be shown.

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You all just as well say show me your great great great great great great great grandpa or he didn't exist. Yet we all know he existed but cant actually show it.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
My question is quite simple.

Creationist will say show me the missing link or it didn't exist.
You on many occasions have said show me jesus if he existed.

You both claim if you cant show me then it didn't exist.

The point is there are many things that DID exist but cannot be shown.

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You all just as well say show me your great great great great great great great grandpa or he didn't exist. Yet we all know he existed but cant actually show it.
That is because due to their fear creationists are inherently dishonest. And I have never said "Show me Jesus or he didn't exist".

That is the sort of error that you would make, not me.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Are you saying you haven't claimed on many occasions that jesus didn't exist.
I have said that he may not have existed. That is nowhere near close claiming that he never existed. I have never claimed, especially on "many occasions" that Jesus did not exist. By the way, saying that the Jesus of the Bible did not exist is not the same as claiming that Jesus does not exist either. I have claimed quite often that he almost surely did not exist because of the evidence that contradicts the Bible.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I have said that he may not have existed. That is nowhere near close claiming that he never existed. I have never claimed, especially on "many occasions" that Jesus did not exist. By the way, saying that the Jesus of the Bible did not exist is not the same as claiming that Jesus does not exist either. I have claimed quite often that he almost surely did not exist because of the evidence that contradicts the Bible.
That answer is like doing a circle, two back steps and a step each way sideways.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Most do. At least I do. I'm a proponent of NOMa. But guess what - it's usually the believers who step over the line in their greed to rule all aspects of life, not just the religious. They have nothing to fear from me as long as they stay on their side of the fence but when they are the aggressors, I won't listen to their wailing that I am cruel and selfish.
This^^^^^^

I don't mind what anybody wants to believe in, as long as they don't decide that everybody outside their belief is evil. Too many fundamentalists have decided that all others are against their God(s) and so they want them all controlled, turned or exterminated.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
One question, how is someone wanting the the missing link different from someone wanting jesus' body?
People will likely stop asking for Jesus' body once they find it.

The "missing link" on the other hand is a red herring; we have a fossile record that shows homo sapiens plausibly evolved from other homo species such as homo erectus, who in turn may have evolved from the australopithecus branch of hominids.

It's not absolutely certain, granted, but no evidence ever is - I could, for example, challenge the evidence that shows you have ever been a child by alleging that your childhood photos don't look like you do as an adult, and that your parents may well lie about knowing you as a kid in order to deceive me or protect your feelings. Could we argue about a "missing link" between an ever-narrowing gap of old photos and your current self? Sure, we could, but at some point that would just become gratuitous.
 
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