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why did God kill many people?
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Delilah Roo
Member
God said thou shalt not kill. He never said I shall not kill. Do as I do, Not as I say. I guess, of course it is not as if God really wrote the bible, human's wrote the bible.
(Of course I am an athiest, so my veiws are soligtly jaded)
--Miss Delilah Roo
(Of course I am an athiest, so my veiws are soligtly jaded)
--Miss Delilah Roo
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The Hebrew word for "murder" translated "thou shalt not kill" is never used for God's actions in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). The same is true for the ancient Greek translation, the LXX, or New Testament for that matter.
linwood
Well-Known Member
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Your splitting hairs AE.
Answer the OP.
haha, no hair-spliting there.
God never violated his own commandment, at least according to the Bible. It's an important point to make that the ancients have some sense of consistency.
linwood
Well-Known Member
I agree wholeheartedly.
However what you`re left with then is a deity who essentially lives by the "Do as I say not as I do" commandment.
Not a character trait our society usually holds respect for.
How do theists get around that?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Not if he never violated the commandment.
Remember also that God commanded people to kill for a wide variety of reasons, but never using the same term in the commandment "thou shalt not murder."
Also, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the Hebrew word translated "thou" means "you", not "you and I".
It's "thou shall not kill", not "we shall not kill".
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Look at how inconsistent and hypocritical people are - if we're created in god's image, what does this say about god?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Andal
resident hypnotist
Something to bear in mind is that in the end God kills us all. Nothing can be born, live, even take a breath, let alone die outside of the will of God. So whether we die in a hospital bed, in an accident, or on the battle field, it is God who is taking away the life. According to the Gita, ultimately there is no death though. Anyone who believes they can kill or be killed is mistaken as the soul can not die. God does decide when it's time to leave this life however. And honestly, we're all going to die anyway so can anyone think of a more pious way to die than directly by the hand of God.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
haha that's a pretty high standard for "consistency."
It basically means that anything that anyone says about God is de facto inconsistent, and by that rule, anything else is, too.
överens med, but the people that write the bible are suppose to be inspired by God. many people in religion refer t o the bible as Gods word.
ayani
member
well, He is ultimately our Creator, and the One worthy of judging when our lives are to be taken back, and under what circumstances.
He is also the One who measures what men know, what they knowingly ignore, and what they deserve. while our perspective is limited, His is not.
He does love each human being, but we are also held responsible for what we do, and for how we live and treat one another. and His love is not the kind of love which ignores flaws and ignores evil, and stands aside forever, unwilling to intervene or correct / punish wrongdoing.
sometimes God's correction takes the form of ending life, or ending the life of a society. and He does give peoples ample warning and the ability to understand what is right and wrong before taking life on account of evil.
He is also the One who measures what men know, what they knowingly ignore, and what they deserve. while our perspective is limited, His is not.
He does love each human being, but we are also held responsible for what we do, and for how we live and treat one another. and His love is not the kind of love which ignores flaws and ignores evil, and stands aside forever, unwilling to intervene or correct / punish wrongdoing.
sometimes God's correction takes the form of ending life, or ending the life of a society. and He does give peoples ample warning and the ability to understand what is right and wrong before taking life on account of evil.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
No, it simply means that if we're created in god's image, then any part of us, must have originated from god. Seeing that we're often inconsistent and hypocritical, this would imply that god is also - which fits in well with biblical hypocrisies, such as the one pointed out in the OP.
överens med, i think i f there is God he abandon us.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
What exactly is the difference, and where is this difference outlined?
linwood
Well-Known Member
There is a difference but it doesn`t apply here.
To claim that the Midianites were "killed" and not "murdered" is a twisting of what our culture considers "murder" or genocide.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
The difference between murder and killing is very obvious even in the frame of the modern legal system. murder is killing someone with a malicious intent, while killing may be a result of circumstancial reasons, for example you dont murder someone out of self defense, but you kill them out of self defense.
the difference in biblical context is outlined in ideology. such as God bringing the flood in order to clean the land of the corruption of men.