Why did Jesus need to die?

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

Not sure if this is already a thread, but whatever.



Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people? It just doesn't make sense to me. You would think that an all loving god would be able to forgive his creations without spilled blood, but it seems as if that wasn't the case, that the only thing that could appease him was blood from his own son(and therefore himself).


*People always seem to assume that I am a christian because I posted from a (semi)christian perspective. I am being figurative or whatever, I am not a christian, and I do not believe in the bible scriptures and such. I just want a good discussion/debate. Thanks

 

[ninerbuff]

If jesus didn't die, and his death wasn't associated with "cleansing man of sin", there wouldn't be christianity. Instead he would have just been a prophet and nothing more. That's my take on it anyway.

 

[Maymoon]

From my point of view,
I believe that Jesus was a messenger (prophet) and he sent by God to teach people faith of God. However, people in his era went against him and tried to kill him. However, God took him up to his lord and he did not die till now.

I am a Muslim by the way.

 

[dogsgod]

The spilling of blood and sacrifice has played a role in religion for eons, Christianity carries on the ancient tradition.

 

[Walkntune]

I believe the spiritual realm and the natural run parallel. Just as something has to die for you to maintain life in the natural, so it is in the spiritual.

 

[Muffled]

Not sure if this is already a thread, but whatever.
Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people? It just doesn't make sense to me. You would think that an all loving god would be able to forgive his creations without spilled blood, but it seems as if that wasn't the case, that the only thing that could appease him was blood from his own son(and therefore himself).
*People always seem to assume that I am a christian because I posted from a (semi)christian perspective. I am being figurative or whatever, I am not a christian, and I do not believe in the bible scriptures and such. I just want a good discussion/debate. Thanks

You have misconstrued this. God has always made it clear that He forgives. The problem is that most people don't believe it. God has to show His willingness to forgive in the highest expression of forgiveness possible for people to believe it. This is expressed when Jesus while on the cross forgave those who were responsible for Him being there. BTW If God can forgive those who were responsible so should we.

 

[Tiberius]

If god could just forgive, Jesus would never have needed to go for a ride on the cross at all...

 

[Politesse]

I don't think Jesus had to die, as such. I certainly don't think God the Father was out to kill him. But I do think it was inevitable that he would be killed, and that knowing this he made his death an object lesson in the true nature of love. No good deed goes unpunished, or unrewarded. I think, too, that he tried to end the very mentality of bloodshed itself that you are talking about, by making himself the final sacrifice. The lesson was not, of course, entirely learned. But wisdom is always waiting in the wings when humanity finishes flailing about in its characteristic foolishness.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

There's no logic to it. The story's power is in it's intended emotional impact.

 

[Ninez]

Jesus' blood SPECIFICALLY wasn't needed to redeem mankind. Since it was that of a perfect man that put us into the situation we're in, it only took a perfect person to get us out so any of Jehovahs angels could have done that as they were "perfect". However, that fact that Jehovah chose Jesus as most qualified and that fact that Jesus allowed himself to be chosen to do the "job" really demonstrates the love they truly have for mankind.

 

[Skwim]

There's a lot of competition in the religious world vying for converts so I think the story demands a dramatic conclusion. A very human event, dying at the hands of the enemy, followed by a transcendent finale, a supernatural bodily resurrection.

 

[dave2]

Hi,
Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people?

The sin that all of mankind has inherited was because of the disobedience of one man (Adam). By the same token, mankind can also be redeemed by the obedience of one man (Jesus) Rom 5:19. What makes him different to other men is that he was without sin, the only sacrifice that God would accept.

 

[Tiberius]

Jesus' blood SPECIFICALLY wasn't needed to redeem mankind. Since it was that of a perfect man that put us into the situation we're in, it only took a perfect person to get us out so any of Jehovahs angels could have done that as they were "perfect". However, that fact that Jehovah chose Jesus as most qualified and that fact that Jesus allowed himself to be chosen to do the "job" really demonstrates the love they truly have for mankind.

yeah, I could just imagine that conversation...

GOD: Hey, look, because it was a perfect man - Adam - that put Humanity into the doghouse, it's going to need a perfect man to get them out. Hmmm, I'll choose you, Jesus!

JESUS: Huh, what?

GOD: Go down to Earth, and they'll kill you. It needs the sacrifice of a perfect man to atone for the sin of a perfect man.

JESUS: Why?

GOD: Because that's what the rules say.

JESUS: But you made the rules! What is it with you and sacrifices? Geez! What is it about killing innocents for the crimes of others that appeals to you so much?

GOD: Just do it. And try to do some miracles down there, make it look snazzy...

Hi,
Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people?

The sin that all of mankind has inherited was because of the disobedience of one man (Adam). By the same token, mankind can also be redeemed by the obedience of one man (Jesus) Rom 5:19. What makes him different to other men is that he was without sin, the only sacrifice that God would accept.

And that's my point? Why did God require DEATH before he'd accept it? He made the rules! It's not like he couldn't have altered them!

 

[crocusj]

This was a man/god who could raise the dead, he could easily have walked from the cross as right as rain, but why didn't he? Well, if you are a believer that would require an explanation........

 

[jmvizanko]

God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself about a rule he himself created. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

Hi,
Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people?

The sin that all of mankind has inherited was because of the disobedience of one man (Adam). By the same token, mankind can also be redeemed by the obedience of one man (Jesus) Rom 5:19. What makes him different to other men is that he was without sin, the only sacrifice that God would accept.

The whole purpose of my post was to try and understand why God required a sacrifice in the first place. Why couldn't he just forgive humans. That's my question. Why was there a need for a sacrifice at all?

 

[NeoSeeker]

The spilling of blood and sacrifice has played a role in religion for eons, Christianity carries on the ancient tradition.

How true. On the face of it, it makes absolutely no sense that Jesus's sacrifice would cleanse all mankind of sin. What kind of logic is this? And what a waste. How long after that did man remain sin free? See what I mean?

 

[dogsgod]

Perhaps the author of Mark wrote the first gospel in response to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE or sometime after. Perhaps that is why Jesus had to die.

Robert G. Price - The author of Mark was writing an allegorical story that intentionally portrayed the Jews and the disciples as failures, the purpose of which was to explain why Judea was utterly destroyed. The Gospel of Mark is a story about failure, destruction, and despair. This is critical to understand for the entire Gospel. This is why the author of Mark has Jesus die on the cross, quoting from Psalm 22, saying "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

His death is the very point; he didn't. Jesus' life itself is a parable of transcendence.

 

[McBell]

There's no logic to it. The story's power is in it's intended emotional impact.

I agree.
it is merely an appeal to emotion tactic.