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Why did shirdi sai baba eat meat?

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
You may do whatever you want, but as I said in the 'New Religious Movements DIR'. This is not the DIR for your rants. This is 'Hinduism' DIR. Just because that ****** happened to be born in India does not mean that he has anything to do with Hinduism.
There is nothing called Hinduism just to make you correct on the point.
That may be your view, but that does not mean that I need to agree with it.
( nirgun parambramhan )
Everything is 'nirguna parabrahman', even the black dog in the street is 'nirguna parabrahman'. So do not flaunt your 'nirguna parabrahman' here. We know it better than you do.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Of course there is something called Hinduism. It's the modern term of the collection of faiths. People use it all the time, commonly. There is no other word that conveys anything like it, that anyone would understand. Hindu culture, Hindu temple, Hindu religion, Hindu pilgrimage, Hindu saints, Hindu scripture. Saying there is no such thing as Hinduism is like saying there is no such thing a s a computer, because 100 years ago there was no such thing as a computer.

Why are people so afraid to use the 'H' word anyway? Who does it harm? What point in the avoidance? Is it because the British used it in a derogatory way? Is it because it sounds cool to say 'Sanatana Dharma'? Is it because you want to be 'spiritual' and not religious. Is it because the other faiths have done a propaganda number on us, linking it as much as they could to some rare negative aspects like caste-based discrimination or sati? Is it because the concepts but not the tag are more marketable to a western audience, for a few bucks?

I'm Hindu. Hindu. Hindu. This is the Hindu DIR, and it's called that because many people knew that that was what to call it. We should be patriotic and proud, not slouching our heads and avoiding it.If you don't consider yourself a Hindu, then, other than questions, by forum rules, you're not allowed to post in this DIR.

Aum
 

Kirran

Premium Member
@John bozzi - while your devotion to Shirdi Sai is no doubt deeply admirable, it may do to remember his ecumenecalism, and that it is easy in strongly form-linked bhakti to get caught up on your own form as exclusive. Shirdi Sai, as a realised guru was no doubt an Avatar of God, but this makes him no more God than Shiva, Vishnu, Mother or Jesus, who are aspects or Avatars just the same.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
:) Hi, Kirran, good to have you back here. When are you coming over or have you already visited India. If so, tell us something about your visit.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
:) Hi, Kirran, good to have you back here. When are you coming over or have you already visited India. If so, tell us something about your visit.

Thanks Aup!

Got back last week, it was a valuable time, spent the month in Varanasi. Great place to be, even if you've gotta zone out the touts :D
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I think you might have been there when Mother Ganges was in floods. I hope you did not face much difficulty.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
When they publish, or if they do, of if they did, send us a link.

Welcome back.

Thanks Vinayaka.

It was for the TV News, I think. Tried to catch it up but the guy running the guest house didn't quite understand what I was on about.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Thanks Vinayaka.

It was for the TV News, I think. Tried to catch it up but the guy running the guest house didn't quite understand what I was on about.
That's the way it goes. I have done a few TV interviews myself (to do with self-publishing) Out of 4 0r 5 appearances, and the promises to send tapes, I have zilch. And that's with no language barrier whatsoever. So I don't expect to see this interview anytime soon. Maybe Aup watched it live, not realising it was you.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
That's the way it goes. I have done a few TV interviews myself (to do with self-publishing) Out of 4 0r 5 appearances, and the promises to send tapes, I have zilch. And that's with no language barrier whatsoever. So I don't expect to see this interview anytime soon. Maybe Aup watched it live, not realising it was you.

Haha! Maybe! They wanted a stereotypical tourist having problems. I said it wasn't causing me any problems so they turned off the camera and told me to say I was disappointed before turning it back on.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Haha! Maybe! They wanted a stereotypical tourist having problems. I said it wasn't causing me any problems so they turned off the camera and told me to say I was disappointed before turning it back on.
Ahh yes, that stereotypical tourist ... short sleeve shirt, shorts, camera, eyes gawking ... I can imagine you now. lol That's me too. (And then they wonder how and why the temple authorities in some places 'discriminate'.

"Oh let's go get a picture of the natives worshipping the statues, it'll go nice with the collection of safari pictures of Africa, Dear."
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Ahh yes, that stereotypical tourist ... short sleeve shirt, shorts, camera, eyes gawking ... I can imagine you now. lol That's me too. (And then they wonder how and why the temple authorities in some places 'discriminate'.

"Oh let's go get a picture of the natives worshipping the statues, it'll go nice with the collection of safari pictures of Africa, Dear."

Hey, half the people in Varanasi had short sleeve shirts! Aside from that one, I don't tick off the stuff on that list. My hair meant that so many people called me 'Baba' I just began to accept it as my name.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Hey, half the people in Varanasi had short sleeve shirts! Aside from that one, I don't tick off the stuff on that list. My hair meant that so many people called me 'Baba' I just began to accept it as my name.

Babakirran has a nice ring to it. I'm sure the locals are quite used to all kinds, including your kind. How many times did you dip? You were supposed to do one for me, as I recall.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Babakirran has a nice ring to it. I'm sure the locals are quite used to all kinds, including your kind. How many times did you dip? You were supposed to do one for me, as I recall.

Yup, I guess, although I don't know they differentiate much between white people to be honest.

In total? Not sure! Went to do it three times :) Oh man. I don't recall that. But I believe you if you say you asked. I'm sorry.

To be honest, I dipped for Ganga. Like, I just dipped as an act of giving myself to Her, and anything else was out of mind.
 

Sw. Vandana Jyothi

Truth is One, many are the Names
Premium Member
I've never really bought into the Canine tooth argument, because human canine teeth no longer have the same characteristics as dogs and other animals that need meat.

Besides, as Makaranda has explained, there are may more reasons to be vegetarian.

I'm with you, Vinayakaji. Sri Yogananda's guru, Sri Yukteswar, included a detailed little treatise on the topic of vegetarianism in his book, "The Holy Science." He said humans are actually frugivores, i.e., fruits, veggies, nuts and grains are man's natural diet. Our puny canine teeth are inadequate to rip and tear the muscle fiber required to seize prey and our molars differ as well in that they are enameled on all sides, basically flat and meet to grind and chew; carnivores' molars are more pointed and side slip, again to separate tough muscle fibers while chewing.

He added that we should examine the length of the digestive tract of true carnivores (relatively short, 3-5x the length of their body) and compare that to humans (relatively long at 10-12x), both measured mouth to anus. Sri Yukteswar also advised that we examine the natural inclination of most humans, who engaging their senses--such as sight, smell, and hearing--do not choose to congregate around a slaughterhouse awash in blood with raw flesh hanging from meat hooks, to exclaim with relish, "Wahoo, this is the life, ain't it?!"
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I said it wasn't causing me any problems so they turned off the camera and told me to say I was disappointed before turning it back on.
Oh, the creeps. Why did not they get to someone who had problems? If you had none, then that should have been reported.

He said humans are actually ..
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The last one, sure, is a beauty (see the big image in Wikipedia Stone age tools). Cain used it to kill Abel.
 
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Shrew

Active Member
Nisargadatta Maharaj also eat meat and smoked (he was in fact the owner of a Beedi store.
Asked about his habits he wxplained that he was brought up in a meat eating family and just let his body continue with the habits of it's surroundings.
After all, when one has transcended the I am this body idea - what does it matter what that body does or does not?
Ramana Maharshi did not eat meat, but he was in the habit of cheewing Paan.
One simply cannot judge a Jnani by what his/her body does.
 

4M17

Member
He ate meat to bond the muslims and the Hindu's. Besides, where does it state that you are not allowed to eat meat??? I thought MV cleared this up for you.
In Manu smriti which is the laws to be followed by human society these verses can be found:

38. As many hairs as the slain beast has, so often indeed will he who killed it without a (lawful) reason suffer a violent death in future births.

39. Svayambhu (the Self-existent) himself created animals for the sake of sacrifices; sacrifices (have been instituted) for the good of this whole (world); hence the slaughtering (of beasts) for sacrifices is not slaughtering (in the ordinary sense of the word).

45. He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to (give) himself pleasure, never finds happiness, neither living nor dead.

46. He who does not seek to cause the sufferings of bonds and death to living creatures, (but) desires the good of all (beings), obtains endless bliss.

47. He who does not injure any (creature), attains without an effort what he thinks of, what he undertakes, and what he fixes his mind on.

48. Meat can never be obtained without injury to living creatures, and injury to sentient beings is detrimental to (the attainment of) heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun (the use of) meat.

49. Having well considered the (disgusting) origin of flesh and the (cruelty of) fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let him entirely abstain from eating flesh.

52. There is no greater sinner than that (man) who, though not worshipping the gods or the manes, seeks to increase (the bulk of) his own flesh by the flesh of other (beings).
 
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