Why did shirdi sai baba eat meat?

[Aupmanyav]

"Some devotees who were doctors offered Mhalsapati medicine, but Baba discouraged him from using it, saying simply that the sick should stay in bed. With that, he walked around the mosque waving the satka exclaiming, "Come on, show us your power! Let's see it, such as it is, and I will show you the power of my satka if you [dare to] come and face me." This was the way Baba treated the disease and cured it without any other medicine."
Holy Shirdi | SamadhiMandir - Display of Baba's, Baba used the satka for healing purposes

 

[iamsharky789]

"Some devotees who were doctors offered Mhalsapati medicine, but Baba discouraged him from using it, saying simply that the sick should stay in bed. With that, he walked around the mosque waving the satka exclaiming, "Come on, show us your power! Let's see it, such as it is, and I will show you the power of my satka if you [dare to] come and face me." This was the way Baba treated the disease and cured it without any other medicine."
Holy Shirdi | SamadhiMandir - Display of Baba's, Baba used the satka for healing purposes

Do you personally believe that? I conclude that he was a hybrid of islam and hindu but leaned more towards islam. Overall to his followers, it doesn't matter to his followers. It does seem to slightly bother them though, I have noticed.

 

[King_Kolkata]

Pranam,

Dear thread owner, can you give us support of your claim ?

All hindus know that eating non-veg is a sin. If man eats non-veg, after his death he goes into hell wherein he gets forced by hell agents to eat meat of dog or his own flesh. This is according to bhagavata purana

Hari Hari Narayan.

Absolutely buddy.
You should ask Narayan/Krishna to completely ban meat from our country immediately. Don't know why God is allowing meat for Hindus . All the non-vegis will go to hell and eat dogs! And all the vegis will go to heaven and dance with Urvashis !

But one thing, have you gone thru these Puranas in full detail (line-by-line)? It is also mentioned, even if a person is a non-veg (obviously excluding beef), if he/she is a TRUE follower of God then he/she will directly go to Vaikunt (which is level higher than our Heaven). And if a vegy have never touched meat in his/her lifetime, but is on the path of evil (small or big), he/she will serve in hell for hundreds of years.
TRUE follower doesn't JUST mean spending thousand of rupees in various pujas, chanting hymns, etc., etc.

 

[Stormcry]

Absolutely buddy.
You should ask Narayan/Krishna to completely ban meat from our country immediately.

Yes, I asked this to krishna. But Krishna said that " I will ban it only at the end of kaliyuga when I will incarnate in India. Sorry my son, i can't ban it now. Because I had given blessings to Kali purusha that he would live at the time of kaliyuga. I can't change this . But please be always aware of kali in the form of mlecchas. They invaded India and are living in my sacred land, bharata. They will try to destroy vedic teachings ."

Hari Hari

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do you personally believe that?

Will I believe in such trash? I would put a person in jail if he advises anything like this to a person who is ill. This is illegal medical practice. Did he have a licence for that?

 

[Sb1995]

Will I believe in such trash? I would put a person in jail if he advises anything like this to a person who is ill. This is illegal medical practice. Did he have a licence for that?

My friend, we are talking before 1918. Let's be realistic now there was no laws/licences in India back then. If you were a Christian would you have also put Jesus in jail for his healing powers due to it being illegal medical practice? Shame on you for saying such garbage.

 

[Aupmanyav]

This is encouraging superstition. There have been many deaths in US because the parents would not let the children be treated, thinking that Jesus will make them well.

 

[Ravi500]

If he was a hindu, why did he eat meat? Some say because he was half muslim? Any one know know in detail?

Lol. An enlightened sage is beyond all 'isms' . He is neither Hindu , Christian, Muslim but at the same time is everything.

Also vegetarianism is not a fixed principle in Hinduism. There are many Hindus who eat meat.

For the aspirant, vegetarianism is good as it helps to develop sattva in oneself. But for one who has attained enlightenment, there is no such restrictions.

 

[Knight of Albion]

For the aspirant, vegetarianism is good as it helps to develop sattva in oneself.

But for one who has attained enlightenment, there is no such restrictions.

Wisdom would suggest that one who has truly attained enlightenment would understand and follow the Law of Love, and recognise the unity of all life and honour the same by not hurting or killing, nor getting someone else to do so on their behalf....

 

[Aupmanyav]

Lol. An enlightened sage is beyond all 'isms'. He is neither Hindu, Christian, Muslim but at the same time is everything.

I do not like such sages. Sorry, can't give you a complete English translation just now, but the opening stanza and the video carry the meaning. Not practical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoIQxfTQ1sE

chin-o-arab hamara, hindostan hamara
rahane ko ghar nahi hai, sara jahan hamara
hindostan hamara

China and Arabia are ours, India is ours
don't have a house to live, (but) the whole world is ours
India is ours

kholi bhi chhin gai hai, benche bhi chhin gai hai
sadako pe ghumata hai, ab karavan hamara
jebe hai apani khali, kyo deta varana gali
vo santari hamara, vo pasaban hamara
chin-o-arab hamara, ..

jitani bhi bildinge thi, setho ne bant li hai
futapath bambai ke hai ashiyan hamara
sone ko ham kalandar, ate hai bori bandar
har ek kuli yaha ka hai razda hamara
chin-o-arab hamara, ..

talim hai adhuri, milati nahi majuri
malum kya kisiko, dard-e-nihan hamara
chin-o-arab hamara ..

 

[Poeticus]

Lol. An enlightened sage is beyond all 'isms' . He is neither Hindu , Christian, Muslim but at the same time is everything.

Then what's the point of various Rishi-s of the Veda-s calling themselves or being revealed as "of vráta", "of Rta", "agnitra", "yajvano", etc.?

But for one who has attained enlightenment, there is no such restrictions.

That's not very consistent.

 

[Aupmanyav]

If he was a hindu, why did he eat meat? Some say because he was half muslim? Any one know know in detail?

What do you mean by half-Muslim? With muslims it is either full or none. That is why he ate meat and stayed in a mosque. Also wore the typical muslim bandana and dressed in black robes.

 

[Ravi500]

Then what's the point of various Rishi-s of the Veda-s calling themselves or being revealed as "of vráta", "of Rta", "agnitra", "yajvano", etc.?

The rishis , prayed to these deities, as manifestations of Brahman, and realized Brahman in the process, in the process of Bhakti yoga.

Buddha and Mahavira, Rishis or enlightened masters themselves, practiced a form of jnana yoga or yoga of the intellect, and came to Nirvana , without depending on God or gods.

That's not very consistent.

Consistent with what !!!

I assure you , an enlightened master has no restrictions whatsoever.


Bhagavan Buddha himself was criticized by orthodox, conservative brahmins for his unorthodox teachings, totally ignoring the fact that he was enlightened while they were not . Issue was they were stuck in their conditionings while Bhagavan Buddha had freed himself from all conditionings through total extinction of karma or mental impressions.

Adi Shankaracharya himself was greatly criticized by orthodox brahmins, on the grounds that as a sannyasin , he had no right to perform his mothers funeral rituals, totally ignoring the fact that he had attained enlightenment, and was beyond all social conditionings.

 

[Poeticus]

The rishis , prayed to these deities, as manifestations of Brahman, and realized Brahman in the process, in the process of Bhakti yoga.

No. They did not.

Buddha and Mahavira, Rishis or enlightened masters themselves, practiced a form of jnana yoga or yoga of the intellect, and came to Nirvana , without depending on God or gods.

No. They did not.

Consistent with what !!!

Oh, I don't know, how about...

suggesting that vegetarianism will help you attain enlightenment, but after you attain enlightenment...you can eat whatever you want...?
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That's pretty much what you are saying.

Here. I'll use a similar, rather blunt, type of logic:

You can attain enlightenment if you go through your whole life without killing any living thing or being. But, after...you can kill whomever, whatever you want.

Is enlightenment being treated as a reward mechanism nowadays?

I assure you , an enlightened master has no restrictions whatsoever.

This is not an astika position at all. I do not find any such notion supported in the Shruti.

Bhagavan Buddha himself was criticized by orthodox, conservative brahmins for his unorthodox teachings, totally ignoring the fact that he was enlightened while they were not . Issue was they were stuck in their conditionings while Bhagavan Buddha had freed himself from all conditionings through total extinction of karma or mental impressions.

Buddha? A Bhagvan?

 

[Ravi500]

No. They did not.

Yes, they did.

Oh, I don't know, how about...

suggesting that vegetarianism will help you attain enlightenment, but after you attain enlightenment...you can eat whatever you want...?
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That's pretty much what you are saying.

Here. I'll use a similar, rather blunt, type of logic:

You can attain enlightenment if you go through your whole life without killing any living thing or being. But, after...you can kill whomever, whatever you want.

Is enlightenment being treated as a reward mechanism nowadays?

My friend, the enlightened master is beyond all the gunas, sattva, rajas and tamas.

During spiritual development, the seeker is supposed to be sattvic, and hence as a practice conforms to sattvic diet.

After enlightenment, he is beyond all the gunas, and nothing affects him whatsoever. This is easily understood by anyone.

Here. I'll use a similar, rather blunt, type of logic:

You can attain enlightenment if you go through your whole life without killing any living thing or being. But, after...you can kill whomever, whatever you want.

Is enlightenment being treated as a reward mechanism nowadays?

Janaka Maharaj, who was an enlightened king, probably killed warriors in the field of battle, adhering to his dharma as a warrior. And after enlightenment, he probably did the same.

The avatar Krishna, who was enlightened himself, in fact goaded Arjuna to fight the Mahabharatha war and kill his cousins, relatives and Guru.

This is not an astika position at all. I do not find any such notion supported in the Shruti.

Perhaps , you have not understood the Shrutis well enough.

Buddha? A Bhagvan?

Yes, Bhagavan Buddha, whom Adi Shankaracharya himself exalted as the emperor of yogis in the Kali Yuga.

Bhagavan Buddha, whom the Vaishnavites consider as the 9th avatar of Vishnu after Krishna.

Bhagavan Buddha , whom Swami Vivekananda considered second only to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa as a mentor, and whose statue he installed in the Ramakrishna mission before which the sannyasins were initiated.

Bhagavan Buddha, whose teachings gave hope and courage to B.R.Ambedkar, the leader of millions of untouchables and Dalits, for uplifting the degraded untouchable community in the path of progress, education and social empowerment.

 

[Poeticus]

Yes, they did.

Yoga is not of the Shruti. Yoga-dharma is not yajna-dharma.

My friend, the enlightened master is beyond all the gunas, sattva, rajas and tamas.

During spiritual development, the seeker is supposed to be sattvic, and hence as a practice conforms to sattvic diet.

After enlightenment, he is beyond all the gunas, and nothing affects him whatsoever. This is easily understood by anyone.

Then what's the point of gaining enlightenment? You are practically describing it as a reward system of sorts.

Janaka Maharaj, who was an enlightened king, probably killed warriors in the field of battle, adhering to his dharma as a warrior. And after enlightenment, he probably did the same.

The avatar Krishna, who was enlightened himself, in fact goaded Arjuna to fight the Mahabharatha war and kill his cousins, relatives and Guru.

This is totally irrelevant and not even in line with our discussion about attaining enlightenment.

Perhaps , you have not understood the Shrutis well enough.

That's funny.

Bhagavan Buddha, whom the Vaishnavites consider as the 9th avatar of Vishnu after Krishna.

You do realize that not every Vaishanava SampradAya considers Buddha to be the 9th avatar of Vishnu, right?

Bhagavan Buddha , whom Swami Vivekananda considered second only to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa as a mentor, and whose statue he installed in the Ramakrishna mission before which the sannyasins were initiated.

Ah! The clouds have parted, and things have now become more clear.

I shall now desist.​

 

[Ravi500]

Ah! The clouds have parted, and things have now become more clear.

I shall now desist.​

You are welcome.

 

[satyaroop]

Lol. An enlightened sage is beyond all 'isms' . He is neither Hindu , Christian, Muslim but at the same time is everything.

Also vegetarianism is not a fixed principle in Hinduism. There are many Hindus who eat meat.

For the aspirant, vegetarianism is good as it helps to develop sattva in oneself. But for one who has attained enlightenment, there is no such restrictions.

what about sages who did tell their disciples to abstain from eating meat, were these sages unenlightened and therefore imposed restrictions?
the jain sages, and buddha too imposed restrictions in this regard

 

[Ravi500]

what about sages who did tell their disciples to abstain from eating meat, were these sages unenlightened and therefore imposed restrictions?
the jain sages, and buddha too imposed restrictions in this regard

'For the aspirant, vegetarianism is good as it helps to develop sattva in oneself.'

This is what I said.

the jain sages, and buddha too imposed restrictions in this regard

Good. I agree with this.

 

[Ravi500]

In truth, Hinduism is more confused than any other belief system I have studied. Hindus worship Sai Baba, who was a diplomat - half Hindu, half Muslim and half God!
Sindhi Hinud worship Jhoole Laal (Laal Shahbaz Qalandar), who was a complete Muslim Sufi Saint. In Gita (the most authentic scripture of Hinduism), Krishna (God) says, "Give up all other religions, and come in My sovereignty, I shall cleanse you of all sins." and "The people with defected intelligence worship other gods and goddesses ... ... but they should only worship Me."
Still an average Hindu worships at least 8 Gods and Goddesses:
1. Krishna
2. Rama
3. Hanuman
4. Shiva
5. Ganesha
6. Durga Mother
7. Parvati Mother
8. COW !!!
And the total number of Gods and Goddesses so far is 330 million!

There is no doubt left, therefore, that Hinduism is a man made religion, which keeps changing almost every day.

It is Brahman that the hindu worships, and all the said deities are manifestations of Brahman.

The Vedas say that by Brahman, the initial manifestation of the material universe and all therein arose:

Great indeed are the devas ( deities )who have sprung out of Brahman." — Atharva Veda

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The latest God of India is a Cricketer "Sachin Tendulkar", and the second last was a Pakistani singer and pianist "Adnan Sami Khan", the third las was late Pakistani singer "Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan."

Laughter is allowed.

Sorry...

Nusret had died long time back, and Adnan is complaining now of India visa restrictions .

I have never heard of them being gods ,and they don't have much following as well.

I liked Nusrat though. He seemed an innocent person at heart.