Beyond labels. God is not Hindu or Muslim.
Meat eating is a grey area. Some religions and sects allow, some don't. As Satya Sai Baba, He instructed all His followers to be vegetarians in no uncertain terms.
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Why did shirdi sai baba eat meat?
- Thread starter iamsharky789
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Beyond labels. God is not Hindu or Muslim.
Meat eating is a grey area. Some religions and sects allow, some don't. As Satya Sai Baba, He instructed all His followers to be vegetarians in no uncertain terms.
Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Vanakkam,
You basically insulted him and told him mean stuff, people usually get a little bit defensive after that. Nohting exceptional here.
Aum Namah Shivaya
You basically insulted him and told him mean stuff, people usually get a little bit defensive after that. Nohting exceptional here.
Aum Namah Shivaya
iamsharky789
Member
And what he said to me initially to get my reaction was totally okay? hindus here seem to be crabs in a barrel.
"A few years ago, someone told me a story about an Indian businessman, who made big bucks exporting crabs in containers with no lids.
A cost-conscious rival who just couldn’t bear the suspense finally asked our gentleman how he managed to export his crabs in lidless containers. Didn’t those crustaceans simply crawl away?
Prompt came the response: These were Indian crabs, after all. There was nothing to worry here because the moment one crab tried climbing up, the others would pull him down. So long as he ensured the crabs were Indian, the exporter did not have to spend on lids for the containers. The savings from that were seemingly significant enough, in a business where incremental cost advantages mattered.
WHY ARE YOU CRABS, AFTER ALL?"
Get on topic or get off this thread!
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Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Vanakkam,
Too bad I'm not indian. Do you have good ones on french people ? I'm dying to listen to it.
I already told you my opinion on this matter, like a big bunch of people already did answer you. But apparently their answers are not the one you want to listen so you just keep going and going and insulting people again and again until everyone get defensive and the whole stuff, instead of being a nice debate of polite discussion, become a battlegound. Because apparently, you enjoy conflict more than the answers you're seeking for. Well, that's your right mate, just keep in mind that this is not everyone's hobby here.
You asked a question you got answers. So what do you want ? You want to hear what you want ? Please, if it makes you gtfo of here tell me what you want to hear, I'll be more than happy to say it, since you don't care about what others say, better ending this quickly right ?
Aum Namah Shivaya
Too bad I'm not indian. Do you have good ones on french people ? I'm dying to listen to it.
I already told you my opinion on this matter, like a big bunch of people already did answer you. But apparently their answers are not the one you want to listen so you just keep going and going and insulting people again and again until everyone get defensive and the whole stuff, instead of being a nice debate of polite discussion, become a battlegound. Because apparently, you enjoy conflict more than the answers you're seeking for. Well, that's your right mate, just keep in mind that this is not everyone's hobby here.
You asked a question you got answers. So what do you want ? You want to hear what you want ? Please, if it makes you gtfo of here tell me what you want to hear, I'll be more than happy to say it, since you don't care about what others say, better ending this quickly right ?
Aum Namah Shivaya
iamsharky789
Member
:clap Congrats! I was wondering how can a hindu deity or god, be considered so highly if he or she ate meat? Why? The answer that I got were not satisfactory because they seems to divert on that fact and did not make sense because sai baba seemed to understand hinduism and it's vegetarianism roots. Even the website gives incorrect rationale. This leads to the conclusion that he was either more muslim then hindu or he was a different kind of hindu.
If anyone has anymore information about this topic, please post but don't waste time.
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Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Vanakkam,
Insults and personal attacks again... haven't you read the rules ?
Anyway back to the topic I've find George AnandaJi's answer to be very nice.
Have you read it or were you too busy attacking people ?
What do you think of this ?
What about he was neither muslim, nor Hindu ?
Aum Namah Shivaya
Insults and personal attacks again... haven't you read the rules ?
If you could please speak in a more correct manner to people, people will be sure more open to go on with the discussion right ? That's not a matter of being a idiot or not, it's is just basic human social interaction. Do you think you can handle it, or is it too much ?
Anyway back to the topic I've find George AnandaJi's answer to be very nice.
Have you read it or were you too busy attacking people ?
What do you think of this ?
What about he was neither muslim, nor Hindu ?
Aum Namah Shivaya
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iamsharky789
Member
You know, if he initially would have just stated that, I would have found it interesting and debatable. You are not an idiot.
I hypothesize that if he was truly not a muslim not a hindu, then his followers are confused. Based on his biography and actions, it seems like he was a muslim man who strongly accept majority of hinduism as well.
Did he pray through idolatry or facing mecca? That would help clarify things. I get the feeling the followers like to seem him a certain way. I do not think from his words that he intended to be worshiped like a deity, just respected.
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Contemplative Cat
energy formation
Sai Baba was amuslm and an advaita Hindu.
Muslims eat meat, and so do some advaitins.
Reading sai Baba of shirdis teachings it would make sense that he ate meat. But novites who have not realized the the end if Vedanta, sat chit ananda. Still carry the distinctions of living and nonliving, so they must be vegitarians. When gold and stones become indifferent, so does meats and vegitables. On a most basic level when we are in that high state edibles are not separated by catagory. it's all Brahman.
Muslims eat meat, and so do some advaitins.
Reading sai Baba of shirdis teachings it would make sense that he ate meat. But novites who have not realized the the end if Vedanta, sat chit ananda. Still carry the distinctions of living and nonliving, so they must be vegitarians. When gold and stones become indifferent, so does meats and vegitables. On a most basic level when we are in that high state edibles are not separated by catagory. it's all Brahman.
iamsharky789
Member
Need to learn more about advaita. Thanks.
Disagree with your statement that when your in a high state edibles are not separated by category. That just is something I cannot ever agree to in any circumstance or religion universally.
Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Vanakkam,
Sai Baba should not be worshipped like a deity, it is your opinion, many share it, many doesn't.
The fact is, he did and said things that inspired both Hindus and Muslims, he was a very spiritual man that taught meaningful spiritual stuff to people that listened, and his teachings are still relevant to some people today.
Is it the fact that people offer Sai Baba Pûja/Abhisekam/etc... that makes you say that people worship him "like a deity" ? But there are many others that receive rituals and offerings: the ancestors, parents, gurus. Those are not deities, yet they are worshipped through rituals and given offerings.
The purpose of worshipping through ritual is not to worship the material, but to invoke the life force of the person/deity within it.
For simple devotees, it is a reminder of the presence, and teaching of a person that is inspirationnal for them. It is passing down the beautiful spiritual legacy Shirdi Sai Baba gave them.
For others devotees, they consider Sai Baba to be an avatar. This is their right to believe it so, and it is their personal practice. Have you seen them actively argue and proletize that Sai Baba should officially be treated as God by all Hindus ? No. Because it is their practice. That's all. And believing so doesn"t deny them of being Hindus.
Others people don't worship Sai Baba, and don't care what other people worship or think of him. These people respect the right of others to worship and believe in different deities and to follow their own tradition/guru/inspiration.
Please note that I'm not a Sai Baba bhakt. But I have a Baba Lokenath picture on my altar. So, well.
Aum Namah Shivaya
Sai Baba should not be worshipped like a deity, it is your opinion, many share it, many doesn't.
The fact is, he did and said things that inspired both Hindus and Muslims, he was a very spiritual man that taught meaningful spiritual stuff to people that listened, and his teachings are still relevant to some people today.
Is it the fact that people offer Sai Baba Pûja/Abhisekam/etc... that makes you say that people worship him "like a deity" ? But there are many others that receive rituals and offerings: the ancestors, parents, gurus. Those are not deities, yet they are worshipped through rituals and given offerings.
The purpose of worshipping through ritual is not to worship the material, but to invoke the life force of the person/deity within it.
For simple devotees, it is a reminder of the presence, and teaching of a person that is inspirationnal for them. It is passing down the beautiful spiritual legacy Shirdi Sai Baba gave them.
For others devotees, they consider Sai Baba to be an avatar. This is their right to believe it so, and it is their personal practice. Have you seen them actively argue and proletize that Sai Baba should officially be treated as God by all Hindus ? No. Because it is their practice. That's all. And believing so doesn"t deny them of being Hindus.
Others people don't worship Sai Baba, and don't care what other people worship or think of him. These people respect the right of others to worship and believe in different deities and to follow their own tradition/guru/inspiration.
Please note that I'm not a Sai Baba bhakt. But I have a Baba Lokenath picture on my altar. So, well.
Aum Namah Shivaya
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Contemplative Cat
energy formation
That's duality held in the mind, the universe is all energy(the SAT).
But because you hold onto that distinction you must be a vegitarian.
Consider food its self. Its just a pile of insentient material. Whethor it is one kind of food or another.
The word Advaita(non-duality) is used later,
but shankara called Advaita "the philosophy of nondistinction"
But because you hold onto that distinction you must be a vegitarian.
Consider food its self. Its just a pile of insentient material. Whethor it is one kind of food or another.
The word Advaita(non-duality) is used later,
but shankara called Advaita "the philosophy of nondistinction"
iamsharky789
Member
Just ordered a few books on advaita. This meat eating concept is conflicting with my perception of karma. I will read these books and follow up. Until then this thread is open for anyone else to continue.
Contemplative Cat
energy formation
why not Start by looking up the actual teachings of sai Baba of shirdi.
iamsharky789
Member
I did and they contradict his actions.
iamsharky789
Member
I read the The Life And Teachings Of Sai Baba Of Shirdi: The Conflicting Origins
Sb1995
Om Sai Ram
Read this.
Saibaba - Sai Satcharitra
Saibaba - Sai Satcharitra
iamsharky789
Member
Thanks this paragraph helps:
Somebody may raise a doubt here and ask - "Did Baba distribute vegetable and animal
food as prasad alike to all His devotees?" The answer is plain and simple.
Those who were accustomed to (take) animal food were given food from the Handi as
prasad and those who were not so accustomed, were not allowed to touch it. He never
created in them any wish or desire to indulge in this food. There is a principle well
established that when a Guru himself gives anything as prasad, the disciple who thinks
and doubts whether it is acceptable or otherwise, goes to peridition. In order to see how
any disciple has imbibed this principle, Baba at times proposed tests. For instance, on
an Ekadashi day He gave some rupees to Dada Kelkar and asked him to go in person to
Koralha to get mutton from there. This Dada Kelkar was an orthodox Brahmin and kept
all orthodox manners in his life. He knew that offering wealth, grain and clothes etc., to a
Sad-guru was not enough but that implicit obedience to and prompt compliance with His
order was the real Dakshina that pleased Him most. So Dada Kelkar dressed himself
and started for the place. Then Baba called him back and said, "Don't go yourself, but
send somebody." Then Dada sent servant Pandu for the purpose. Seeing him starting,
Baba asked Dada to call him back and cancelled that programme. On another occation
Baba asked Dada just to see how the saltish `Pulava' (mutton dish) was done. The latter
said casually and formally that it was alright. Then Baba said to him - "Neither you have
seen it with your eyes, nor tasted in with your tongue, then how could you say that it was
good? Just take out the lid and see." Saying this Baba caught his arm and thrust it into
the pot and added, "Draw out your arm and taking a ladle, put some quantity in the dish
without caring for your orthodoxy and without blustering." When a wave of real love rises
in a mother's mind, she pinches her child with her hand and when it begins to cry and
shout, she hugs it close to her bosom. Similarly Baba, in a true motherly way pinched
Dada Kelkar in this fashion. Really no saint or guru.
Who is fakir baba? Is that the same person as sai baba?
Somebody may raise a doubt here and ask - "Did Baba distribute vegetable and animal
food as prasad alike to all His devotees?" The answer is plain and simple.
Those who were accustomed to (take) animal food were given food from the Handi as
prasad and those who were not so accustomed, were not allowed to touch it. He never
created in them any wish or desire to indulge in this food. There is a principle well
established that when a Guru himself gives anything as prasad, the disciple who thinks
and doubts whether it is acceptable or otherwise, goes to peridition. In order to see how
any disciple has imbibed this principle, Baba at times proposed tests. For instance, on
an Ekadashi day He gave some rupees to Dada Kelkar and asked him to go in person to
Koralha to get mutton from there. This Dada Kelkar was an orthodox Brahmin and kept
all orthodox manners in his life. He knew that offering wealth, grain and clothes etc., to a
Sad-guru was not enough but that implicit obedience to and prompt compliance with His
order was the real Dakshina that pleased Him most. So Dada Kelkar dressed himself
and started for the place. Then Baba called him back and said, "Don't go yourself, but
send somebody." Then Dada sent servant Pandu for the purpose. Seeing him starting,
Baba asked Dada to call him back and cancelled that programme. On another occation
Baba asked Dada just to see how the saltish `Pulava' (mutton dish) was done. The latter
said casually and formally that it was alright. Then Baba said to him - "Neither you have
seen it with your eyes, nor tasted in with your tongue, then how could you say that it was
good? Just take out the lid and see." Saying this Baba caught his arm and thrust it into
the pot and added, "Draw out your arm and taking a ladle, put some quantity in the dish
without caring for your orthodoxy and without blustering." When a wave of real love rises
in a mother's mind, she pinches her child with her hand and when it begins to cry and
shout, she hugs it close to her bosom. Similarly Baba, in a true motherly way pinched
Dada Kelkar in this fashion. Really no saint or guru.
Who is fakir baba? Is that the same person as sai baba?
Jaskaran Singh
Divosūnupriyaḥ
This text talks about shirDI sai going to a masjid. I thought only Muslims go to masjids.
Sb1995
Om Sai Ram
Sb1995
Om Sai Ram
Of course, he was known as a fakir to the muslims.