Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?

[metis]

It just takes believing Jesus.

And this is what we do, thus we don't judge others even though the JW's do.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And this is what we do, thus we don't judge others even though the JW's do.

We have to appreciate that Jesus was the 'Christ' and as Jesus said,

John 6:63 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."

It is the Word that is Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[IndigoChild5559]

And this is what we do, thus we don't judge others even though the JW's do.

We? You have a frog in your pocket? We Jews certainly don't. Hindus don't. Buddhists don't. Atheists don't. A great many people don't. And even among people who do believe in Jesus, a sizable number of them don't believe the same things about him that you do. I suggest you drop the triumphalism.

 

[metis]

We? You have a frog in your pocket? We Jews certainly don't. Hindus don't. Buddhists don't. Atheists don't. A great many people don't. And even among people who do believe in Jesus, a sizable number of them don't believe the same things about him that you do.

Huh? What does that have to do with what I actually posted, which dealt with judging others?

I suggest you drop the triumphalism.

I suggest you actually follow the conversation and actually read what I wrote.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If one is not serving the true living God--They do not have God. I have been sharing facts on this matter. No matter what kind of love one has. I say every one in Noahs day loved their family and friends as did Adolf Hitler. Jesus says that love goes to ones enemies as well. I found the religion serving the true living God. The God Israel served all through From Moses on up until today( not correctly many x) The God Jesus teaches-His Father. Most are confused by a capitol G God in the last line of John 1:1 and worship to a mortal Jesus is error. Its misleading 2 billion of my human brothers and sisters away from the path Jesus spoke of. And you want me to say nothing? It just takes believing Jesus.

Your statement is the Quandary of this OP, for many others including the JW.

If the Message of the Bab (Gate) given in 1844 was the fulfilment of Biblical Prophecy, then many including the JW do not know Christ has returned as the Father. I also see me and many Baha'i have struggled to see the importance of that day.

It has become very obvious to me though, we have all fallen for the trap of waiting for a promise, given up searching, or not even considering it any more, the world is a mess as a result.

The great thing is that it is happening, the mind of man is embracing the concepts and principals that are needed to build unity and a lesser peace, it will take an event to show us how to use those thoughts on a global scale.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

We have to appreciate that Jesus was the 'Christ' and as Jesus said,

John 6:63 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."

It is the Word that is Christ.

Regards Tony

Gee, I wonder what your favorite verse from the NT is? Here's is the verses just before that. Could you explain them to me?

50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.​

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Gee, I wonder what your favorite verse from the NT is? Here's is the verses just before that. Could you explain them to me?

50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.​

Verse 63 answered the question of all posted from verse 50.

The Word is the Bread of life, our spiritual well being.

 

[kjw47]

The question is whether one can be confused and make mistakes about the nature of the one true God, and yet still serve him, because one is serving him as best as one can. I believe this is possible. For example, I think Christians are incredibly confused, believing that a mere man is God, which is really a terrible, horrible thing. Yet I think that despite this, Christians still serve the one true God.

Jesus was made -lower than the angels while on earth-Hebrews 2:7-9- a mortal. So its true in certain translations they have the followers bowing in worship to a mortal Jesus. It is error to mislead. Christians serve the God Israel served in the OT-A single being God-YHWH or YHVH(Jehovah)--Jesus was taught this God when he attended the Israelite places of worship. Every bible writer was taught that God as well.
In Jesus day, they did not like the truth either. They killed Jesus the apostles and followers. Jesus said his followers would be hated like he was.

 

[kjw47]

And this is what we do, thus we don't judge others even though the JW's do.

I showed you 7 important teachings from Jesus. You wont believe him. Truth has judged already. I just share them.
Jesus assures all-He has a God like we do-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Believe him.

 

[CG Didymus]

Most of the prophecies are about the Messianic age, not the messiah himself. The prophecies about the messianic age will be fulfilled during the reign of the messiah, but will not necessarily be things he does directly. There are actually very, very few prophecies about the messiah.

He will be "David" (David being the King of Israel, who ruled from Jerusalem).
He will be a Jew and a descendant of David's line (patrilineally).
He will bring all the Jews back to the Land of Israel from out of the Diaspora.
He will usher in an era of worldwide peace
He will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.

The Baha'is use prophecies in Daniel to "prove" that Jesus was one of the Messiahs, and then they follow it up to show that 1844 was the year prophesied for his return. I questioned the Baha'is using the decree to rebuild Jerusalem as the starting point of the 2300 days. In Daniel it talks about the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation and the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord's people... and that it will take 2300 evenings and mornings. Do you have any insight as to what any of these prophecies are talking about? Thanks.

"...Basing his calculations principally on Daniel 8:14: "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed", Miller assumed that the cleansing of the sanctuary represented the Earth's purification by fire at Christ's Second Coming. Then, using the interpretive principle of the "day-year principle", Miller (and others) interpreted a day in prophecy to read not as a 24-hour period, but rather as a calendar year. Further, Miller became convinced that the 2,300 day period started in 457 BC with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem by Artaxerxes I of Persia. Simple calculation then revealed that this period would end in 1843. Miller records, "I was thus brought... to the solemn conclusion, that in about twenty-five years from that time 1818 all the affairs of our present state would be wound up."

So the correct starting point of the 2300 days is the decree in 457BC to restore and rebuild Jerusalem and not when the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanes in 167BC? Hmmm?

Daniel 8:13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”
Says nothing about the rebuilding of Jerusalem being the start of the 2300 days. But there's more... This is from Some Answered Questions:

...Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Seventy weeks make four hundred and ninety days. Each day, according to the text of the Holy Book, is a year. For in the Bible it is said: “The day of the Lord is one year.” 5 Therefore, four hundred and ninety days are four hundred and ninety years. The third edict of Artaxerxes was issued four hundred and fifty-seven years before the birth of Christ, and Christ when He was martyred and ascended was thirty-three years of age. When you add thirty-three to four hundred 41 and fifty-seven, the result is four hundred and ninety, which is the time announced by Daniel for the manifestation of Christ.
So 457 plus 33 equals 490? Are you sure? Because that is assuming Jesus was 33 when he was crucified and that he was born in year zero. Was he? Because in another "prophecy", the one about the 666, Baha'is add 5 years to 661 to get to 666 and justify doing that because they say Jesus was born 4-5 years before year zero. Which is it? Doesn't matter. Either way, one of the Baha'i "fulfillments" is wrong. So let's see if Jesus was born in 5BC and died at 33, that makes it less than 490 years by those 5 years. Hmmm? Is that close enough? No, it is not close enough is it. But, I'm sure you have a reasonable explanation. Can't wait to hear it.