Why did we invent God?

[Pah]

I firmly believe that we can't differentiate between GOD and Religion. They are like the different side of the same coin. They co-exist. GOD is needed in order to have people follow the religion. Here I am not talking about GOD as in "The SuperPower", but as in Jesus, Mohammed, Shiva..And I don't think it's possible to have a large follower base without a GOD for any religion.

In their own words and in over "3,200 churches missions and groups in 154 countries", there are "millions of people" who would say you are wrong to think there can not be a religion without God or even gods for they have an "applied religious philosophy' without gods or God. (quotes are from the Scientology home page) Scientology has the trappings of a religion - an organization, a set of beliefs, teachings for conduct of life, edifaces to honor themselves, prophets or gurus, and a collection plate - but no gods or God. Scientology qualifies as a religion in the highest court of America but no gods or God. There is nothing supernatural about them.

That's the western example and I am sure you will learn from some of our Eastern faiths that they have no gods or God.

-pah-

 

[Trinity]

In their own words and in over "3,200 churches missions and groups in 154 countries", there are "millions of people" who would say you are wrong to think there can not be a religion without God or even gods for they have an "applied religious philosophy' without gods or God. (quotes are from the Scientology home page) Scientology has the trappings of a religion - an organization, a set of beliefs, teachings for conduct of life, edifaces to honor themselves, prophets or gurus, and a collection plate - but no gods or God. Scientology qualifies as a religion in the highest court of America but no gods or God. There is nothing supernatural about them.

That's the western example and I am sure you will learn from some of our Eastern faiths that they have no gods or God.

-pah-

Then it seems that we are talking more about a social club than a religion.

 

[pratik]

I never really heard about Scientology before you told me. So it proves me wrong to some extent.

But if you read my post without reading "Here I am not talking about GOD as in "The SuperPower", but as in Jesus, Mohammed, Shiva..", it would still make sense in case of Scientology as well.

I searched for Scientology church in India and I was EXTEREMLY disappointed to find only 1 result. And that too at a place no one would have ever heard about.

That's the western example and I am sure you will learn from some of our Eastern faiths that they have no gods or God.

I really don't know of any example in the eastern world...which has large follower base..

-Pratik

 

[Pah]

Then it seems that we are talking more about a social club than a religion.

:biglaugh:
You don't think other religions are cliques?

-pah-

 

[Sunstone]

Then it seems that we are talking more about a social club than a religion.

It seems that you might have a peculiar definition of "religion". Either that, or I'm not understanding you. Are you saying that any religion without a deity is more of a social club than a religion?

 

[Trinity]

:biglaugh:
You don't think other religions are cliques?

-pah-

Sure, some can be, but doesn't make it right.

 

[Trinity]

It seems that you might have a peculiar definition of "religion". Either that, or I'm not understanding you. Are you saying that any religion without a deity is more of a social club than a religion?

Yes. A religion is a group that comes together to worship God.

 

[cardero]

pratik writes: So basically, smart people created "GOD" in order to control others and for better cause of society, because majority of people fear the most of what is unseen.

There is a concern/control that is much more immediate and this fear is right out in the open it is called State Law.

pratik writes: I firmly believe that we can't differentiate between GOD and Religion

I firmly believe that GOD can differentiate between GOD and Religion.

pratik writes: GOD is needed in order to have people follow the religion.

But do you believe religions are utilizing GOD to his/her fullest potential/PURPOSE?

 

[cardero]

Chuck010342 writes: we did not invent God. I am telling you the truth God does exsist and he loves you,

I got your back chuck.

 

[huajiro]

Then it seems that we are talking more about a social club than a religion.

Is there a script that Christians and Catholics follow? I would have expected that response from you.

 

[pratik]

There is a concern/control that is much more immediate and this fear is right out in the open it is called State Law.

Prevention is always better than cure.

I firmly believe that GOD can differentiate between GOD and Religion.

Oh really ? Care to elaborate ?

But do you believe religions are utilizing GOD to his/her fullest potential/PURPOSE?

As I said in my previous posts, I don't differentiate between religion and god. To me, they come in one package..

-Pratik

 

[cardero]

carrdero writes: I firmly believe that GOD can differentiate between GOD and Religion.
Pratik writes: Oh really ? Care to elaborate ?

Well for one thing, most religions rely on faith to discern GOD. GOD does not rely on faith to discern himself/herself or anything for that matter.



The resources (Bible-word of mouth) that some organizations utilize to conceptualize GOD are not the same resources that GOD refers too when defining himself/herself.



The PURPOSE and agenda that religions have assigned to GOD is not the exactly the same PURPOSE that GOD has designated for himself/herself.



And last, as far as I K(NOW), as enticing as some religions may seem I do not believe that GOD has converted over to any particular organization.

 

[pratik]

The resources (Bible-word of mouth) that some organizations utilize to conceptualize GOD are not the same resources that GOD refers too when defining himself/herself.

Then what are the other resources that GOD refers to when defining him self ?

I guess this is not the discussion of this thread. Here we are questioning why we created GOD and not if IT exists or not.

-Pratik

 

[Trinity]

Then what are the other resources that GOD refers to when defining him self ?

I guess this is not the discussion of this thread. Here we are questioning why we created GOD and not if IT exists or not.

-Pratik

History, tadition, prophets, Salvation History.

 

[cardero]

Pratik writes: Then what are the other resources that GOD refers to when defining him self ?

If you had a biography written about yourself that I could read I think it would be safe to assume that I did not have a REALationship with you. I may K(NOW) some things about you but I would not have a TRUE REALationship with you. You of course would not have to use your own biography to live your life because you K(NOW) what experiences your life entailed. To hang this illustration onto the thread I think that the reason that people invented GOD was because nobody could conceive that GOD was approachable or available to answer any sincere questions about himself/herself. In fact many people to this day have contained their relationship to GOD to just one book.

 

[Trinity]

If you had a biography written about yourself that I could read I think it would be safe to assume that I did not have a REALationship with you. I may K(NOW) some things about you but I would not have a TRUE REALationship with you. You of course would not have to use your own biography to live your life because you K(NOW) what experiences your life entailed. To hang this illustration onto the thread I think that the reason that people invented GOD was because nobody could conceive that GOD was approachable or available to answer any sincere questions about himself/herself. In fact many people to this day have contained their relationship to GOD to just one book.

A relationship has to do with knowing. For most people, you must meet God in your life, and know Him in your life before you can know Him with your minid.

 

[chuck010342]

Chuck,

I have been getting on you pretty hard in a couple of threads, and I'd like to bury the hatchet. Let's just say that you and I don't agree on a good many things, especially when it comes to God and Religion. That doesn't mean that I don't like you, or that I wish you any harm or ill will. I hope that whatever belief system you have, you can find it in you to allow others their belief system as well.

Thanks,
TVOR

Jesus said "love thy enemies". I don't wish you harm either. its okay for you to make fun of me and hurl insults because thats what people do to christians.

perhaps the reason we disagree so strongly is because your a strong relativist and I'm a strong absolutist within our philisophies. but there is no hatred on my part

 

[chuck010342]

You cannot think unless you have a functioning brain. You cannot even think of God without a functioning brain. Another way of looking at this question, "Why did we invent God" is to ask "How does our brain work in such a way that we can conceive of notions such as 'God'?" For no matter how much you think of "God" as being something out there and apart from your thoughts of "God", everything you think of when you think of "God" is by definition a thought of your brain, rather than a reality apart from thought.

most people would say that I don't even have a functioning brain because I believe

We cannot convice of what God ultamitly is. We only know what he has told us. and he told us thru his love letter. we chrstians call the bible.

 

[pratik]

Take it easy buddy. Religion is a personal thing. You need not to even justify yourself.

-Pratik

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Jesus said "love thy enemies". I don't wish you harm either. its okay for you to make fun of me and hurl insults because thats what people do to christians.

Great.
Let me make one point clear, however. I didn't disagree with you simply because of the fact that you are a Christian (I do not insult or make fun of most Christians on here - ask SOGFPP, Trinity, Emu, etc.). I ridiculed your positions because they demonstrated a high degree of intolerance (at least, they did to me).

As for the "love thy enemies" comment, I do not consider you the "enemy". If you need to see me in that light, fine.

TVOR