SeekingAllTruth
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Did I mention the Second Coming?The second coming is not a major doctrine in Zoroastrianism. Most don't believe in it.
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Did I mention the Second Coming?The second coming is not a major doctrine in Zoroastrianism. Most don't believe in it.
I don't believe anything in the New Testament. It was written with a specific agenda, to push the idea that Jesus Christ was a dying/rising god like the dying/rising god of Greeks and Roman of earlier times.That is, if you don't believe the Bible's assertion that, first of all, there are no other gods, and that Yeshua is eternal, therefore preexisting.
Oh, you didn't know? Yes, scholars have determined that the 4 gospels were written by anonymous highly educated Greeks. They were NOT written by Matthew Mark Luke and John. Those names were assigned to the gospels by Irenaeus in the late 2nd century.Since when were the writers of the gospels Greek scholars?
The name of Jesus is a reference to him being the Messiah. The basic concepts that people say are in both religions, like John the Baptist like people and salvation, don't exist in both faiths.
There are more differences to Jesus and Osiris besides being Jewish. The similarities between Jesus and Osiris are only superficial. Jesus Vs Osiris: Debunking The Alleged Parallels | Reasons for Jesus
The Persians has their own use of Baptism?:The name of Jesus is a reference to him being the Messiah. The basic concepts that people say are in both religions, like John the Baptist like people and salvation, don't exist in both faiths.
https://evidenceforchristianity.org...ection-of-jesus-from-the-religion-believable/I believe that the connection between Judaism and Zoroastrianism is superficial. Those concepts of judgement and heaven and hell and free will exist in other faiths. Even fantasy stories have a messiah figure. There is also evidence that Zoroastrianism copied Judaism. Does Zoroastrianism predate Christianity and is the idea that Christianity borrowed the resurrection of Jesus from the religion believable? – Evidence for Christianity
ISatan was mentioned in the book of Job before Zoroastrianism. The belief that Satan is part of a divine council of angels is not a belief that all Jewish people share. Some Jewish people believe that there's a devil.
There are other explanations for coincidences in the gospel besides the gospels copying each other. The authors probably talked to the same eyewitnesses.
The Bible doesn't say that Jesus intended to run away from his parents. It says that Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. The teachings of Jesus in the four gospels aren't vague. The teachings of Jesus in the gnostic gospels, about Jesus told his disciples secret knowledge, are vague and don't seem practical to everyday life.
That would be quite the trick. If you could do this amazing deed why aren't you published? Your claims ring of the same sort of nonsense as the people that claim that there is a "Bible code". And those all have been refuted.I think that is too vague a statement to begin with
Prove what, exactly ?
If one were to propose that the Bible is " divine " and that this is rigorously provable with mathematics, then the discussion of how the concept of divinity and mathematics were related in ancient priestly texts would probably have to be covered first ( I'm already quite familiar with these literary conventions in both Cuneiform and Egyptian scripts, having studied them for years, can't speak for any potential debate opponents here on RF... )
If anything is easily demonstrable, it's that the mathematical structure of the very languages used to write the book in first place, are taken from Egyptian mathematics used by priests
Why? It was YOU who when asked questions that cannot be answered turned toYou are too funny... Now... just take what you said and pretend that it was written from me to you.
Awesome:Various reasons:
- It debunks your position that historians agree with Berty
- It shows that Berty didn't debunk that people don't agree with his beliefs
- It shows that you are wrong in your statements.
- It shows how they utterly debunked Berty's position even if you decide not to agree with them
But you can continue denying it. You can feel free to deny that the earth is round and be a flat-earther too (if you so desire)
- Notice that you offer your personal opinion (which you have every right to have)
- You really haven't proven that it is lies
- Don't really care how Carrier expresses his viewpoint. I would express it this way... We have Matthew, Mark (or however wrote it), Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James who agree that it happened. Some were eyewitnesses and others (Luke_) took affidavits (so to speak). In a court of law, these witnesses of the fact would make the fact acceptable.
- Because you found one Apologetic who may have erred does not mean that all Apologetics are lies. That would be like saying because one doctors had a mis-diagnosis... all doctors are fraudulent.
1. - you misunderstand. The point is that an extreme few scholars believe in young-earth and no evolution. We can ignore them. Well the vast majority of biblical historians/archeologist do not believe in the supernatural aspects. The ones who do, we can ignore them as crank.Again... I don't know how many times you want me to say it.. so let me try to say it differently:
- Who cares if a "few" actual scholars believe in a young earth? That is an interpretative difference but has nothing to do with historicity. (Do you alway misapply information like that?)
- You have no data to prove who is in the "vast minority". Very subjective and opinion at most.
- Barty WAS a fundamentalist Christian therefore his contemporary PhD and NT historicity counterparts who remain a fundamentalist obviously disagree with him. Berty is NOT the standard.
- Carrier... offers his viewpoint - of which I disagree :
So when is reality, reality real? False comparisons. That is like saying since there are so many fictional stories about revolutions that brought freedom... obviously the US Revolution was a myth.
But, hey, you can debate... but just because you debate doesn't make you right. I give you a wide berth to be wrong even when you think you are right
Many people started like you but ended with a different understanding.
It's also possible that the apostles accurately wrote what they saw. What evidence is there that they fabricated the stories to match the prophecies?
Bible prophecies have been fulfilled. Biblical Prophecies Fulfilled
Historians support that the Bible is reliable. How We Know The Gospels Are Reliable | Reasons for Jesus
Christians didn't reinterpret the prophecies, because what are the odds that Jesus could have arranged events to have met those prophecies, or could have been born into them? The Prophecies About Jesus
CS Lewis said either Jesus was a liar, lunatic, or God. If Jesus was a liar or a lunatic his motives couldn't have been pure. At best he would have been a troubled person.
The evidence that Jesus was a legend is doubtful and even most unbelievers don't believe it. Jesus Vs Zoroaster – Debunking The Alleged Parallels | Reasons for Jesus
There is no significance between Zoroaster and the age of 30. Even the belief about a future Messiah in Zoroastrianism is different from Christianity. The belief in his second coming is not a consistent doctrine in their faith. The second coming of Jesus is believed by both Catholics and Protestants. The Bible is not vague about the second coming of Jesus. Jesus said in John 21:22, " If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me."
Jesus is far lower. He preaches eternal hellfire, families splitting apart and hates non-believers. Zero religious freedom. Bad role model. Always pissed about non-belief.You don't need Buddha to know that hate is wrong and love dispels hate. Buddha saying that doesn't put him on the same level as Jesus.
Zoroaster didn't deliver people from demons. How could that aspect of Jesus have been borrowed from Zoroastrianism scriptures? Jesus Vs Zoroaster – Debunking The Alleged Parallels | Reasons for Jesus
What parallels exist between Jesus and dying and rising gods? Jesus Vs Baal – Debunking The Alleged Parallels | Reasons for Jesus
This list covers all mythology. Clearly that the gospel writers who used these traits they were writing just another myth. All of them are saviors in some sense. All myth.A lot of those are explained by situations that happened in the stories of superhero and myth stories coincidentally would be similar to God if God is a Savior.
Your point?Little details are changed when different people give account of the same story, but the basics are the same. For example, if I saw a car accident, I may describe it as terrible and give different details of what people said, and someone else describing it would omit those details because their personality could be less descriptive, but the basic description would be the same.