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Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

Skywalker

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They are only attributed to him. That does not mean that he wrote them. If you can find a valid source that says that he wrote them I will gracefully accept this. If you use an apologist source then you are admitting that David did not write them.

If King David wrote the Psalms, that means that the Christian belief of Heaven wasn't taken from the Persians.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What in the Old Testament do you think was based off of Zoroastrianism?
I did not claim Zoroastrianism in particular. In fact that appears to be more of a case of gospel writers just following the general formula for a god that comes to save people. But we do know that the Noah's Ark myth is copied from older stories.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
I did not claim Zoroastrianism in particular. In fact that appears to be more of a case of gospel writers just following the general formula for a god that comes to save people. But we do know that the Noah's Ark myth is copied from older stories.

How did Osiris save people in Egyptian mythology in a way comparable to Jesus? He didn't die for their sins.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
How did Osiris save people in Egyptian mythology in a way comparable to Jesus? He didn't die for their sins.
It does not need to be "comparable". In fact it appears to be better. Only Christianity has God sacrificing himself to save others for sins that he caused in the first place and could not forgive people for until he "died". That is a mess that makes no sense.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
It does not need to be "comparable". In fact it appears to be better. Only Christianity has God sacrificing himself to save others for sins that he caused in the first place and could not forgive people for until he "died". That is a mess that makes no sense.

How is God responsible for our sins because he has standards against sin? Is a judge responsible for people not following the laws?
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
You would have to do some research. I just know that there are those that have evidence that David did not write them. By the way, even if you accept David as an author he wrote a bit less than half of them.

The work of two that dispute davidian authorship can be found here:

https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Study-Berlin-Brettler-Fishbane/dp/B004GVFP90

Even if there were parts of Psalms that David didn't write, that doesn't mean that the Psalms were influenced by Babylonian captivity.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Even if there were parts of Psalms that David didn't write, that doesn't mean that the Psalms were influenced by Babylonian captivity.
Again, do the research yourself. See if you can find valid sources for once. I am tired of trying to help you. By the way, what you are doing now is very dishonest. Instead of following the evidence, you are trying to look for excuses to believe. That is almost an admission that one is wrong in itself when one does that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
They ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was put there to test them.

God forgot to give them the ability to know right from wrong. The tree gave them that knowledge in the myth. God screwed up, he put a lack in Adam and Eve and then punished them when they ate the tree that fixed that lack. It was God's fault as much as it is the fault of parents of a toddler burns his hand on a hot stove that the parent turned on.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
God forgot to give them the ability to know right from wrong. The tree gave them that knowledge in the myth. God screwed up, he put a lack in Adam and Eve and then punished them when they ate the tree that fixed that lack. It was God's fault as much as it is the fault of parents of a toddler burns his hand on a hot stove that the parent turned on.

Adam and Eve must have known on some level what they were doing was wrong, even without knowledge of good and evil.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
God forgot to give them the ability to know right from wrong. The tree gave them that knowledge in the myth. God screwed up, he put a lack in Adam and Eve and then punished them when they ate the tree that fixed that lack. It was God's fault as much as it is the fault of parents of a toddler burns his hand on a hot stove that the parent turned on.

There would have been no test if they fully understood the magnitude of what it meant to take the tree of knowledge.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Adam and Eve must have known on some level what they were doing was wrong, even without knowledge of good and evil.
There is no reason to think that and their reaction after they ate the fruit indicates that was not the case. The second they ate they knew. The magic fruit worked. God screwed up.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
God forgot to give them the ability to know right from wrong. The tree gave them that knowledge in the myth. God screwed up, he put a lack in Adam and Eve and then punished them when they ate the tree that fixed that lack. It was God's fault as much as it is the fault of parents of a toddler burns his hand on a hot stove that the parent turned on.

Without a test Adam and Eve would have been robots.
 
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