Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

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God had no problem appearing to Moses and Noah so why is he so shy today?

God speaks to us through His word. When you read the Bible over and over again you notice things that you didn't notice before. When you read the Bible more you understand the context of the verses more.

 

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There is no God and no test. Pagan religions believe what harms the society as sin. Good if they do not believe in false things. Eating an apple is not a sin. Every body does that.
Do not give links to advertising blurbs for your God in your posts. I am never gong to read all that crap.

What doesn't respect oneself and others is sin. The fruit in the garden of Eden might not have been an apple. Some Christians believe that the story of the garden of Eden is an allegory of people choosing to disobey God.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

God speaks to us through His word. When you read the Bible over and over again you notice things that you didn't notice before. When you read the Bible more you understand the context of the verses more.

God can speak to us both ways like he did back on Mt Sinai. Why did he drop speaking directly to us now? My firm belief back by mountains of evidence is because he is deist God. He doesn't care about us--hasn't the least bit of concern for what happens to us. He doesn't answer prayers. He doesn't make a peep. he doesn't get involved in world affairs. He does nothing. he talks to you through the Bible, but he gives thousands of Christians different interpretations what that Bible says as evidenced by 30,000 different Christian denominations in America. That's all the proof anybody needs he doesn't communicate with us.

 

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Jesus didn't just die on the cross so that we could be forgiven of our sins but also that we could come before God. He came to remove the barrier of sin from between people and God.

There's no such thing as sin. There's only right and wrong as evidenced by the law and by what people perceive to be right and wrong. Do whatever you want and it's fine if it doesn't hurt anyone and if it isn't against the law.

 

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God can speak to us both ways like he did back on Mt Sinai. Why did he drop speaking directly to us now? My firm belief back by mountains of evidence is because he is deist God. He doesn't care about us--hasn't the least bit of concern for what happens to us. He doesn't answer prayers. He doesn't make a peep. he doesn't get involved in world affairs. He does nothing. he talks to you through the Bible, but he gives thousands of Christians different interpretations what that Bible says as evidenced by 30,000 different Christian denominations in America. That's all the proof anybody needs he doesn't communicate with us.

God answers prayers depending on if it's His will or not. Sometimes God doesn't answer prayers because people don't pray as much as they should. Does Unanswered Prayer Disprove God? | Reasons for Jesus

Right off the bat we begin on shaky grounds. Why? Because readers are left to speculate what God Brain decides to refute. It is clear that through his inclusion of scriptural references from the Bible, in which God is supposedly meant to answer prayers, we are in the unfortunate position of having to assume that it is the Christian monotheistic concept of God under fire here. Immediately, however, one ponders whether or not Brain has reached the standard he has set himself (i.e. God is imaginary and it is easy to prove this is the case). After all, even if we grant that the Christian monotheistic God is imaginary, that leaves untouched the other concepts of God/gods. A creator God might well exist and decide never to intervene in the lives of human beings, as on deism. This is not to mention polytheism, monolatrism, pantheism etc. Given Brain’ positive atheism, he has got a lot of work to do to justify his position.

Further, this blog series is not intended to be an apologetic defense of Christian theism specifically, but I suppose a few remarks should be forthcoming when clear errors are made, often naively so. Off the bat Brain engages in the hermeneutical flaw of eisegesis through proof reading a select few verses while leaving out significant others. He feigns a prayer asking God to heal all cancers and illnesses on Earth,

“Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.”

Brain continues,

“Will anything happen? No. Of course not… If “you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer”, then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear[sic].”

Conveniently, however, he leaves out what one might refer to as “qualifiers” for God honoring prayer. Without these qualifiers prayer could be rendered ineffective on behalf of the person praying the prayer. A close reading of scripture suggests the following qualifiers: Prayer in Jesus’s name, [ii] Prayer in accordance to God’s will, [iii] Perseverance in prayer, [iv] The avoidance of selfish desire and intentions, [v] Belief in God, and [vi] Powerful faith. All of these are clearly important in the context of prayer but none of them have been acknowledged in Brain’s critique which surely comes in as an under cutter to his central argument (that God, at least the Christian one, does not exist because of a lack of answer to prayer).

 

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God reveals Himself through us through His word and creation. People say God didn't introduce Himself to them. God died for everyone. Is that not enough, why would he have to introduce Himself to us?

if he could do it for the people back then he can do it today.

 

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God answers prayers depending on if it's His will or not. Sometimes God doesn't answer prayers because people don't pray as much as they should. Does Unanswered Prayer Disprove God? | Reasons for Jesus

God answers prayers at the exact same rate as the action could have occurred by pure random chance. It's pretty evident he doesn't answer prayers. It's just dumb luck you got the result you prayed for. So do agnostics.

 

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God answers prayers at the exact same rate as the action could have occurred by pure random chance. It's pretty evident he doesn't answer prayers. It's just dumb luck you got the result you prayed for. So do agnostics.

If someone who prays is living in unconfessed sin or they pray arrogantly like the name it and claim it theology, their prayers won't be answered. Does Unanswered Prayer Disprove God? | Reasons for Jesus

Brain continues,

“Will anything happen? No. Of course not… If “you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer”, then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear[sic].”

Conveniently, however, he leaves out what one might refer to as “qualifiers” for God honoring prayer. Without these qualifiers prayer could be rendered ineffective on behalf of the person praying the prayer. A close reading of scripture suggests the following qualifiers: Prayer in Jesus’s name, [ii] Prayer in accordance to God’s will, [iii] Perseverance in prayer, [iv] The avoidance of selfish desire and intentions, [v] Belief in God, and [vi] Powerful faith. All of these are clearly important in the context of prayer but none of them have been acknowledged in Brain’s critique which surely comes in as an under cutter to his central argument (that God, at least the Christian one, does not exist because of a lack of answer to prayer).

In fact, given these qualifiers, it is likely a few individuals who have made a God honoring prayer in the case of fulfilling each one of these. Perhaps human beings falls short in this regard to such an extent that when God does in fact answer a prayer (which we will show that he does in the next section) it must necessarily be out of his love, mercy, and grace, and not because the individual praying deserves it. Again, few of us would score a perfect grade on these qualifiers.

 

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There's no such thing as sin. There's only right and wrong as evidenced by the law and by what people perceive to be right and wrong. Do whatever you want and it's fine if it doesn't hurt anyone and if it isn't against the law.

That we sin is why God died for our sins. Right and wrong that is in the law comes from God-given common sense. The idea that we can do whatever we want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone is a concept that exists in Wicca and Satanism.

 

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if he could do it for the people back then he can do it today.

There's no need for God to do it today because people today have the Bible. It's similar to why the gift of languages existed with missionaries in the past but not today, because foreign cultures have the Bible in their native language.

 

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Sure, there is a consequence to every action. It may be material or psychological. But whatever happens is in this life. There is no life after death. God, Judgment, and heaven and hell are figments of imagination.

Everyone believes in life after death and God and everyone knows that they will have to answer to God. What does it mean that we have eternity in our hearts (Ecclesiastes 3:11)? | GotQuestions.org

Seasons come and go, but does anything in this life truly satisfy? The answer in Ecclesiastes is, no, all is vanity (Ecclesiastes 1:2). However, through all the ups and downs and vicissitudes of life, we have a glimpse of stability—God has “set eternity in the human heart.” Life is but a vapor (James 4:14), but we know there is something past this life. We have a divinely implanted awareness that the soul lives forever. This world is not our home.

 

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There's no need for God to do it today because people today have the Bible. It's similar to why the gift of languages existed with missionaries in the past but not today, because foreign cultures have the Bible in their native language.

There's a vital need because then atheists would believe in him. But God doesn't care about saving souls anyway. He's a deist God.

 

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That we sin is why God died for our sins. Right and wrong that is in the law comes from God-given common sense. The idea that we can do whatever we want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone is a concept that exists in Wicca and Satanism.

Jesus didn't have to die for our sins. God can just simply forgive us like he tells us to forgive others.

 

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If someone who prays is living in unconfessed sin or they pray arrogantly like the name it and claim it theology, their prayers won't be answered. Does Unanswered Prayer Disprove God? | Reasons for Jesus

Every Christian in the world is living in sin then because God doesn't answer any of their prayers.

 

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There's a vital need because then atheists would believe in him. But God doesn't care about saving souls anyway. He's a deist God.

God not revealing Himself today the same way He revealed Himself to Moses is similar to God not giving the gift of tongues (languages-not babbling) today like he did in the book of Acts.

Acts 2:4

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It would be nice if pastors all had the gift of tongues today and when a foreign person came to their church that person would hear them in their native language, but those people already have the Bible in their native language.

 

[Skywalker]

Every Christian in the world is living in sin then because God doesn't answer any of their prayers.

I don't think God is looking for perfect people, but people who are going to seek Him. You also have to strive.

 

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Jesus didn't have to die for our sins. God can just simply forgive us like he tells us to forgive others.

Jesus incarnated to die for our sins because the price of sin had to be paid. Can a judge simply forgive someone who committed a crime? We can forgive other people but we can't atone for their sins.

 

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Jesus incarnated to die for our sins because the price of sin had to be paid. Can a judge simply forgive someone who committed a crime? We can forgive other people but we can't atone for their sins.

Can you forgive someone who hit you? Or does someone have to pay for his violence against you? Does his hitting you automatically give you the right to hit him back? Of course God can freely forgive us. There's no such thing as sin, therefore there is nothing to have to pay back to God. that's just church Kool-Aid and you have taken a BIG swig of it.

 

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I don't think God is looking for perfect people, but people who are going to seek Him. You also have to strive.

Let him seek me. I'm the one that's lost. I love how Christians throw the weight of the relationship on people whose backs are broken.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

God not revealing Himself today the same way He revealed Himself to Moses is similar to God not giving the gift of tongues (languages-not babbling) today like he did in the book of Acts.

Acts 2:4

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It would be nice if pastors all had the gift of tongues today and when a foreign person came to their church that person would hear them in their native language, but those people already have the Bible in their native language.

God talked to Moses audibly. Does God talk audibly to people today? Your statement is bogus.